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I feel hawaii is being recognized as a tourist island!! People strictly see it as a dreamy destination, therefore creating this fantasy getaway complete with malls and hotels for couples to well, expirience hawaii... To me it is disgusting, hawaii people have had to endure a lot of nonsense from the very beginnning, big dogs come in, find people vulnerable then trick them with new marketing schemes, As they increase living, and comercialize what their doing causing viewers from the outside views to just assume that is how hawaii is. I think that if real people of hawaii dont let their REAL ISSUES KNOWN then people are going to take advantage of them and cheapen their islands.!!!
http://www.afschawaii.org/dmz/index.html
Yes, Kailua is being presented as a tourist destination. Look up "Kailua" on Yahoo and you will find that 90% of the listings are for vacation rentals or B & Bs'. 7% of the remaining listings are real estate deals (some of which might be for vacatino rentals). The rest is really all you can learn about Kailua in the first 20 pages of Yahoo listings. And who goes past 5 pages of listings? Something is wrong and the appropriate authorities are not even trying to look this up and then enforce it. Yes, Kailua is being marketed without the consent of its residents. Yes Kailua is seeing increasing numbers of tourists because of this marketing. Is it any wonder that people are getting disgusted with our government? Is it any wonder that we are seeing polarization of our community into the pro commercialization forces and the anti commericilization forces ? We need to find a way to work together to control these issues as a community. We will not always agree, but unless we try, we will never truly be a community and we will be taken advantage of.
Location: Kailua, Oahu
Yup I agree with ya Finn,
And since for search engine those who pay usually get on the top of the list you got alot of pages to sift through to get the information that you need.
I'm all for tourist visiting the islands including Kailua but this has gotten way out of hand.
Especially after seeing that magazine insert from Honolulu Magazine called Kailua..
It was nicely illustrated but its yet another marketing scheme to generate more tourist to our town.
Money money money thats what it's all about.. Mmm and I thought it was about the hokey pokey!!!
Location: Kailua, Oahu
I really don't see the point that is being made here. The logic doesn't add up. There is a reason why B&B's pop up on Yahoo; it is because they are paying for advertising.
If you all want something other than B&B's & Real Estate ads pop up on Yahoo when people search "Kailua," then raise money and do your own "counter-advertising".
Additionally, I do not understand what you mean by Kailua is being marketed without consent of its residents. There is no consent factor. If we follow your logic and idea of needing consent, then I would like to ask who gave you, and this web site, consent to advertise Kailua. The sales of bumper stickers that contain the word "Kailua" surely would qualify as the marketing of Kailua, and under your logic, therefore needs consent of the community. Or does this consent factor only apply when Kailua is marketed to tourists, if so, your logic still does not add up.
Further, who are the "appropriate authorities"? Are you all planning on calling the "Yahoo" advertising police?
Also, your the idea of anti-commercialism and pro-commercialism is flawed for ONE BIG REASON, unless, of course, it only applies to commercial businesses in Kailua. You see, the web tool used to build this website is a "pro-commercial enterprise tool". First, nothing is "free". Second, if something isn't "free", then there must be some way that the developer and/or designer makes money. This web tool makes money through, what you may call "pro-commercialism" advertising. Yes, that big window that pops up in the middle of the screen, as well as the banner at the top of the pages that you see each time you open a page is a form of advertising, and therefore this website is endorsing the process of "pro-commercialization". You, me, and everyone visiting this web site are feeding into the pro-commercialization monster. Isn't that some irony.
Finally, instead of working together to "control these issues," maybe you should work on trying to understand the dynamics of these issues and propose logical, fair, and reasonable solutions. You speak of community, but aren't these same B&B operators,legal or not, still part of the community?
Location: kailua
What are your ideas and suggestions? Looks to me like the bumper stickers are free to anyone that can print them on appropriate paper.
Also as to B & Bs', yes they are residents but since the rest of us have to live by the rules, so do they. But let' talk about vacation rentals - most of these are owned by mainland owners who hire a real estate agent to manage their property for them - they are not here or residents of Kailua or Hawaii and could care less about the effect their rentals have on us. Check it out.
Location: Kailua, Oahu
Since bumper stickers that say "Kailua" are free to anyone that can print them on appropriate paper. The logic follows that "printing" "Kailua" on Yahoo to attract prospective B&B renters would be free to anyone who can pay for the advertising on an appropriate search engine.
I still don't see there the consent of the community comes in to play.
Well, we all are supposed to "live by the rules". But when you break a rule, let's say a traffic violation, you are fined. And when you either pay this fine or win your day in court, you are no longer indebted to your community.
So, with that said, what is so different about these people who operate B&B's illegally and are fined? When they pay their fine, do they not pay their debt to society in a similar fashion to those who pay their tickets?
Also, I don't understand the argument about mainland owners who hire real estate agents to manage their property. We have residents who do the same exact thing. Whats the point? Do these mainland owners not pay property taxes? Of course they do. Whats even better is that they are not here to utilize the services that their taxes pay for. How great is that for the rest of Kailua's residents?
Location: kailua
hey nick
ive have been reading your posts on this subject and i did not notice you refering to kailua as home or a place that in the long run you would want your family or children to grow up in, sure now the buisnesses may seem to do a lot for the community, but at one point in time waikiki was probably a small town as well, citys are not built overnight and in the long run if kailua is turned into a resort town it will attract people and when there are a lot of people there is a lot of crime or at least an increase in it, and if and when i have a family of my own i would not mind raising them at the same place that i call home but i would not want to raise them around prostitutes and money hungry buisness owners, and to me community is not just your neighbors or people you live around its more along the lines of where you are accepted and with people who actually care about certain aspects of living such as respect, honor, and pride, ect.. now as to feeding the
pro-comercialization monster it goes both ways, in my point of view it is ironic becasuse the people who made the program or tool to build websites probably did not intend for the tool to make a website that in a way is a tool being used against them.
Location: kailua
Quite interesting.
So, if the web tool developers did not feel that their creation and marketing of the tool would be used for the purpose of pro-commercialization, is that excusable? If it is, then it would we also excuse the developers of Kailua's businesses? Surely, they didn't think developing a business would be used against them. Would they?
I think it would not be a stretch to say that the majority of people who post on here are not college educated, do not have college degrees, and really do not know that much about Hawaii or Kailua.
It appears that a lot of you fail to realize that Hawaii has been, is, and most likely will remain to be a single commodity market. This will not change. Therefore, what you all see as "pro-commercialization" (which it really is not) is nothing more than business as usual.
Math along with other things dictate these changes. If take out a loan for $800,000 to buy a house you will pay nearly $4,700 a month for mortgage. This doesn't include insurance, property taxes, cable, phone, gas (yes, some homes in Kailua have gas) and maintenance for your property. So, these fee's can easily exceed $6,500 a month. In order to pay these fee's you need to earn $100,000 and if your medical expenses and social security fee's amount to 22% of your total income, then you end up with $78,000 a year, enough to pay your bills. But remember, we have not included food, entertainment, or vehicle expenses. And if you have kids, well then there going to be a lot more expenses. (and this doesn't count the $100,000 down payment needed to get a loan of this size)
The average job in kailua probably pays about $22,000 a year. In order to just pay for the house expenses in Kailua you would need to have 5 jobs.
Unless you have a home from old money or that you have inherited (or if you are a genius with a lot of money) it is virtually impossible to afford to live in Kailua and/or practically any where else on Oahu.
Crime, there will always be crime and it is not because of expansion. It is because people don't have money, don't have jobs etc., end up stealing.
Anyways, as for money hungry business owners.....don't people get into business to make money? Don't you all have jobs and isn't it because you need to make money to survive? How can employees make money without the businesses being money hungry?
Are you aware that businesses in Hawaii usually lose a lot of money in their first 3 years and wind up being in debt? They have to be in operation for nearly 6 years before they break even. Business owners are the ones taking the chance and using their money, while employees can just come in and punch a time card.
Location: kailua
First of all we all know the math for surviving in Hawaii Work X Work = one bag of rice
>>>>> Crime, there will always be crime and it is not because of expansion. It is because people don't have money, don't have jobs etc., end up stealing. <<<<<
Okay is it only those who don't have jobs that steal
You admitted that you stole? You said " I just...have people sign a clause" It may be a loophole but your still stealing.
Crime will always be there because of the greed of people. People steel not because they are poor they steal because they lack a conscience. whether it be clouded by greed, drugs or just plain ignorance.
Crime isnt' only on one level there are many levels of crime that affects our community!
As far as this whole money hungry thing .. Yes businesses are out to profit make money .. Some are in it to get rich some or in to make it a dual purpose Survive and help or be of service to others..
Its when you put money before what is right that is when you become money hungry ....the greed for more more more despite what you got to do to obtain it.. what loopholes ,crime etc.. as long as one gets that dollar in their pocket book.. Thats money hungry !! And no not all business people, well the respectable ones don't act that way - and they still make a profit and profit our community in a positive way.
Location: Kailua Beach , Oahu
For the record, I don't own a B&B, I was posing as more of a hypothetical to further the discussion. Stealing is pretty statutory. One needs to fulfill all the elements of the statute in order to be guilty of a crime. The idea of putting in a legal clause does not make the act illegal. Besides, even if the person commits a wrong and is fined, once the fine is paid, they no longer owe a debt to society.
Similar to various traffic offenses, once the person pays their fine or wins in court, they owe no explanation or debt to society. Until these fines are either made more harsh to stop people from doing these actions, they will continue. And there is nothing that can be said about it. These people are not "criminals" but rather violators of the law.
People violate the law every day while driving, while doing their taxes, while not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign, while doing a multitude of things.
Nostalgic or half-baked legal arguments won't get any one anywhere. There are people out their busting their okole to get by and they won't buy into either your idea's or illogical propositions.
Location: kailua
Okay thank you for clarifyin that , I apologize.. I guess we all tend to assume things and read things out of context at times.
No we just want to learn.. learn how B&B's and Will benefit us ...
I'm not here to play judge lawyer or politician..
Im not here judging whether someone has a job on welfare or a drug dealer or homeowner..
We are here not to prove one thing wrong or another right..
How COULD WE help the situation??????
By allowing B&B's and Vacation rentals pop up??
There are people not as educated as yourself that would like to know these things "not being sarcastic either" and I think its great that you have come in here explaining things ... Ive learned alot personally..
I'm not really all into the politics of it - like many are not for we are too busy working and as you stated you are too and jus not into that whole scene..
So thanks because you are making a difference with your input.. but remember we ALL have feelings & concerns and how our town is affects all of us..
And anytime you have individuals talking politics ,Religion etc.. there is always going to be some disagreement and harsh words.. So I apologize , If I come across harsh at times.. or rude or anything .. jus trying to be myself and learn some of this from someone elses point of view..
I do thank you for taking time and discussing this with us..
Well I need more NyQuil- darn flu cold got me...
Have a good one.. And hope your family has a great Easter.. Aloha ~ Lynn
Location: Kailua Beach , Oahu
As with everyone else, I would love to have my kids/grandkids/greatgrandkids raised here, but unless there's growth, Kailua is going to remain a community stuck in the 60s which is when most of the buildings were made. Maybe we can live like the Amish...stuck in a moment in time. No offense to the Amish.
So the next question is...who dictates "how much" growth there should be? And what businesses to accept in and who doesn't qualify? Sounds like a pretty elitist attitude when a vocal minority stops progress for the rest of us. Even with the sit-in protest, it's like a kid refusing to leave a candy store until he gets what he wants. So you're going to show how anti family you are by scaring families with kids during the protest in order to make the community better for your kids. HUH?
Location: Kailua
As far as dictating how much growth it should be shouldn't be US WHO LIVE AND RAISE OUR FAMILIES IN THIS TOWN WE CALL HOME... If Jo Blow wants to put up a hotel we should have the right to say NO.. but Jo Blow says but it will make more jobs.. So Waht!!
We are definetly not stuck in the 60's cuz I remember then and now.. yes it progressed with time and we adapted as people..
As far as the buildings well talk to Kaneohe Ranch and the people who manage that.. they have been remodeling and yes the remodeling looks nice but what most people are telling me is don't make our town look like Waikiki and put stores in that WE THE PEOPLE the ordinary people Not THE RICH who jus moved in but the people who have supported the town all these years show some Malama back to us!
Location: Kailua Beach , Oahu
1) It was not mentioned about stopping the town from remodeling and beautifying. Nor are we stuck in the 60's " Amish people are good people" .
2)Nobody is out to scare kids like you so assumed-
You sure get scared alot you were scared back in the days too of the parking lots HOLIDAY MART LONGS..
I will be a paying customer too at the "I LOVE KAILUA" party -Supporting them our fellow neighbors so we can have the trees replanted-and enjoying the day with fellow neighbors eating and laughing and singing ...children are not stupid!
But children are scared to walk down Waikiki at night !! I wonder why!?!
Some of the people there will be seniors.. Yeah real scary huh!!
Nobody is out to mob the town and or crash a family party we are those families attending we will though just meeting at a certain time at a certain time and doing a walk BACK thru and sitting down to make a statement!! Whats the statement ??? Well lets listen to the people on that day and find out what THE PEOPLE IN KAILUA HAVE TO SAY! I do know that they are not happy with the change and the type of change that is going on.. and you know what each and every one of them has that right SO WHAT BAHT if its not HOW YOU THINK OR HOW YOU WANT OUR TOWN TO BE.. Each senior , each mother, child , person - individual has the right to not want their hometown to be the next Waikiki..
Some things money can't buy!! And Yes I will stand behind these people in doing this you know why????
Because they are REAL people none of them have any other motives..they did their bust ass time and still are.. These are the ones I listen too REAL people that talk from their heart and not their Okole's..These are the people that supported Our local businesses when times were rough .. these are people who bring each other soup when one is sick.. these are people who help one another in times of disasters.. These are the people in the community that often get overlooked because they are out of that circle of politics.. These are the people who make a town and make a neighborhood special..
Some of the people there will be seniors.. Yeah real scary huh!!
You know what is scary is that you will go to any lengths huh to try to paint an ugly picture of those who oppose to your way of thinking.
If you love raising your children in a town that is tourist geared and out to make money and pull in tourist to make jobs available?? Why not move down Waikiki???
ARE YOU NOT READING RIGHT?? Nothing was said about
NO IMPROVING OR BUILDING BUSINESSES in our town..
Furthermore.. this site was put up for those who are against turning Kailua Into A Waikiki town
Respect Our Beliefs and Our Way Of thinking.. Respect our Site And Our Discussion Board..
We are open to comments but not insulting us saying we are preventing the town from growing -And out to scare people..- gosh darn this site was up only a couple days!! and we stopped growth!! Give me a break!!
Ah I see I've hit a nerve. My point was simply who dictates how much change should take place? You ... me? It's a collaborative effort meaning both sides must be willing to compromise. So if you say you don't mind change, then compromise. It's like a marriage.
And as to your point about being scared. You'd be too if you had been mugged twice just walking to your car and your wife practically raped in the parking lot right outside the store.
On top of that there were the number of shootings right outside some of the older bars in Kailua. WAKE UP and smell the police report. Let's not delude the readers into thinking that Kailua is a perfect Utopia. In fact, the more you shut people out, the more crime festers and grows. That is a major fact.
The developments so far has been a big help in deterring crime and created a better community. Look at the Farmers Market. Yes that is too considered a development in the terms of building what was previously existing.
Now if you were against the Farmers Market, would you protest that too? I know several people who were against it.
My family has used our two B&B's to survive in this expensive state. I don't think vacation rentals pose a real threat right now, in fact they could be making it disadvantageous to put a hotel on the windward side. I think the real threat to our way of life in this town, is the addition of big businesses such as the newly constructed Pier 1. I would like to throw out a guess that most people who have lived in Kailua for a long time, adhere to a hawaiiana (island style) sort of home decor, not offered by pier 1. So, we have a large department store attracting customers who probably don't even live in Kailua, most likely from the adjacent military base.
I also think, its just a matter of time before Daiei is replaced by walmart, (the end of our small suburban town).
If Kailua loses its stlye, its laid back image, then won't the popularity of the town plummit in the tourism industry? Isn't that what they come here for? Something different? Because if they wanted hustling and bustling, shop till ya drop, theres plenty of that in Waikiki.
Mr. Cynical, I think that you are analyzing the protest more than you are analyzing the issue, however i do see you're point on how it could be hard to take time away from your busy life to combat something that you think won't have and adverse affect on you.
Big business, will also bring a lot more pollution, from more traffic, more people to throw things out of their cars (cigarettes), more noise pollution (car alarms and loud 104.3 combined with 1000 watt sub woofers). Also will make our roads more dangerous, as people get frustrated with waiting 14 min to get through an intersection.
Another negative effect, will be the overwhelming amount of competition, and decline of small bbusinesses. I like the new, revamped look of the plaza's, but I just don't like what is filling the spaces. With an exception to a few places, the town has become a shopping mall for the tourists pleasure, of no practical value to the residents.
Has any of this been fought legally? Don't we have some kind of outdoor circle thing, or what ever happned to Keep Kailua, Kailua. Wow thats a horrible acronym (KKK).
The issues that you are presenting, for a lack of a better word, are completely inept. Hawaii has roughly 1.3 to 1.4 million residents at any given time (not including 7-8 million visitors per year). Kailua has a maximum carrying capacity (carrying capacity relates to the ability for the residents obtain water, electric, gas, sewer, etc) of probably 60,000 to 75,000 people. Currently we are at about 50,000 to 55,000 people in Kailua, which stretches from the top of Olomana to Lanikai and Back towards Mokapu. We could fit all of Kailua's residents in the Aloha Stadium.
We only have (1) waste water treatment facility. There are (2) other waste water facilities on Oahu that are currently facing extreme challenges from the EPA and will either be fined or will need to be repaired in the up and coming years. These repairs are estimated to cost 400 million and 800 million dollars each.
There is no way the city can afford for Kailua to grow to its maximum carrying capacity, as there is no way to upgrade the sewage treatment plant. Additionally, the City has already spent far too much money on improving the sewer lines throughout Kailua.
It is not cost effective for businesses, the State of Hawaii, or the City and County of Honolulu to expand Kailua. They have bigger fish to fry in other areas of the Island and mass/rapid transit will ensure that most of the City's development will be on the west side of the island.
So maybe you all gotta stop looking at the little picture and making illogical inferences.
There is one thing you need to worry about and that is Linda Lingle and the Republicans. They are staunch supporters of property rights, which include the right to exclude. As long as a Republican is the Gov. Kailua might have to worry a little bit, but not too much.
Location: kailua
Boy "Dr. Sanjay". I guess you haven't been around town in the last 10 years or so because what you're describing is already what's going on. And you know what? It's all the local families. The average Joes who are the same ones you are claiming to protest for.
Also, the protest is just a minute point. If you've read the other postings my thoughts have always been about the larger picture of the renovation and re-invention of Kailua. It just morphed into focusing on the protest.
I'm glad that you own B&Bs and that you can throw your wealth back into the faces of those who are working 2 or 3 jobs like myself just to rent. And I hope you're doing it legally. You of all people should know that the recent developments have helped to attract your customers.
You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
""As with everyone else, I would love to have my kids/grandkids/greatgrandkids raised here, but unless there's growth, Kailua is going to remain a community stuck in the 60s which is when most of the buildings were made. Maybe we can live like the Amish...stuck in a moment in time. No offense to the Amish.""
With this statement here, it sounds to me that you are willing to put down anything you truly dont understand, therefore maybe the actions you are fighting for are spiteful and done out of envy....
Just because you dont know how to truly understand a culture or way of living...Doesnt mean you have the right to belittle their way of living ESPECIALLY if you never fully understood it!!....With your ignorance to a slower pace of living it plainly shows me you have no respect for the spaces in between...And are only concerned with speeding things up
Location: kailua
Boy? I find that quite condescending, despite the fact that I am 18. I've lived here all of my life, I like how Kailua has changed, I just think it going too fast now. Although, who am I to voice my concern, I don't know nearly enough political jargon to outwit anyone on this forum. Maybe its best if i leave the future in the able hands of the old and senile.
Dr. Sanjay: Your opinion does matter, thank you for expressing your views - they are just as valid as any other views expressed here. Unfortunately, while most of us are trying to listen to and hear all viewpoints, there are some who prefer to listen only to themselves and be disrespectful towards others. Ignore them and address the issues just as you have earlier and pay them no mind. Thanks again for your input. Keep it coming. Your age has nothing to do with your right to express yourself.
Location: Kailua Oahu
Age nor Money Cla$$ holds No Restrictions In This Board All are encouraged to participate and voice their concerns about ANY issues related to Kailua..
It's usually those who think they know it all who are intolerant of other peoples views. A.K.A Prejudice
And there will be none of that in here!!
We all bleed one color and its red like the website.
AGAIN FEEL FREE TO EXPRESS YOURSELF HOW YOU TALK DON"T CONFORM OR FEEL YOU HAVE TO EXPRESS YOURSELF A CERTAIN WAY HERE.. THATS WHY I PUT PIDGEN IS OKAY..
FOR WE WANT TO HERE EVERYONES VIEWS AND IDEAS.
FOR WE ALL ARE KAILUANS. MAHALO TO ALL WHO POST AND PARTICIPATE BECAUSE WE ALL CAN LEARN FROM EACH OTHER IF WE JUST LISTEN INSTEAD OF BARK.
Location: Kailua BEACH Oahu - KAILUA BOATRAMP
Hey, I'm just here trying to help. If you don't know by now, emotions and flawed analysis lose at the end of the day.
It seems like a few people on here let their emotions, lack of analytical skills, and incomplete thoughts get the best of them.
There are things that can be done and there are things that cannot be done. Anti-walmart sentiment should not be the basis for an argument. Daie, is no longer Daie, but rather Don Quijote, which isn't much different from Walmart, other than the fact that Don Quijote exploits people in Japan and China rather than the good ole U.S. of A. Therefore the anti-walmart analysis holds no water, unless you limit it to the point where the analysis is moot.
Imagine if a news reporter came to any of you during your "protest" to ask you questions. You would have nothing to stand on but meaningless arguments. So you all should be glad that your arguments are being tested and destroyed here and you retain your anonymity. In other words, being introduced to these counter-points is going to help you save face in the long run. I am not saying change your position, but rather, learn some better arguments. Once we start telling people what to do we become dictators. So with that said, I am not trying to tell anyone what to do, but rather help you all with your analysis.
For example, Mr. Finn posts something like ((Paraphrasing here)"there was no consent from the community to advertise Kailua)). My response was who consented to you all advertising Kailua on bumper stickers. Quite frankly, I don't care if you advertise bumper stickers. In fact, that is actually a good way to draw attention. The point of the matter is, Mr. Finn's statement is hypocritical and as we all know, hypocrites are not looked well upon.
The same applies to these idea's of commercialization, obviously some of you here have no concept of commercialization. How can you discuss something that you do not understand? It would be like me arguing about nuclear fusion. I don't know anything about nuclear fusion and if I were to discuss it, I would sound pretty darn dumb.
Economics is another issue. Walmart and various large scale department stores do not go into areas unless the demographics meet their needs and there is a sufficient customer base. Walmart will not come to kailua when Kailua has on 55,000 residents. For them to do so would be a zero sum gain. So my suggestion is learn about economics and business before you try to argue it. People with brains will laugh when they hear that.
The same goes for arguing about the State of Hawai'i, the City and County of Honolulu and how tourism applies to both of these entities. It's obvious from some of the arguments on here that you all really don't know how the system of taxation works. This is quite troubling as you profess to be business and property owners. If you don't know how the system of taxation works, you just may be losing a heck of a lot of money on your yearly taxes.
I am here to help. Throw out any argument you wish and I will continue to give you constructive criticism. In a fantasy world, anyone can go to starbucks and "fight against white power," "stick it to the man," etc. The trick is to do so in a manner where your arguments cannot be shot down.
If you all want to stick to emotional pleas then do so, but know that once you start talking politics, globalization and other forms of expansion, you are entering an realm that you are not equipped, at this time, to handle.
Respectfully, Nick Cyn
Location: kailua
DEAR MR NIXON - THIS IS NOT WATERGATE
TO HELP ON THIS BOARD IS TO BE "A REAL PERSON"
NOT USE AN ALIAS NAME AND PULL OUT A RED PEN ON PEOPLE. WE ARE PEOPLE SPEAKING OUT - NOT POLITICIANS TRYING TO GAIN VOTES. WE ARE NOT IN SCHOOL AND DO NOT NEED YOUR EDUMACATION SKILLS..THANK YOU FOR UMMMM YOUR "CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM" WHAT IS SO AMUSING IS THE FACT THAT YOU ARE SOOOOOO SURE OF YOURSELF AND PLACE YOURSELF SO HIGH ON THE TOTEM POLE -
I WILL TREAT YOU LIKE A LITTLE CHILD AND GIVE YOU A TIME OUT...
I APOLOGIZE THAT I DIDN'T SPELL THINGS RIGHT I'VE BEEN OUT OF SCHOOL SINCE 91 AND THAT SCHOOL WAS A TECHNICAL SCHOOL SO IT WAS MORE MATH THAN ENGLISH BUT GIVE ME A COMPUTER AND I'LL FIX EM FOR YOU... 
SOMETIMES LOVE CAN CONQUER ALL -- NOT LIES AND ALL THE GAMES YOU PLAY - THATS WHY WE ARE IN THE POSITION WE ARE IN TODAY - ALL THE DISHONESTY IN POLITICS..
IF YOU ARE TRYING TO DETER PEOPLE FROM WRITING BY MAKING THEM FEEL INSIGNIFICANT THEN IT WON'T WORK BECAUSE THE ONLY ODDBALL HERE IS YOU..
IF YOUR WAY WORKED SO GOOD AND YOU ARE FOR US IN OBTAINING THE SAME GOAL- THEN WHY THE HECK ARE PEOPLE UNHAPPY? WHY DIDN'T YOU SOLVE THIS PROBLEM FOR US SINCE YOU KNOW IT SO WELL???
THAT WAY WE PEOPLE WHO YOU THINK ARE NOT WORTHY TO TALK ABOUT SUBJECTS AND ISSUES AS THESE WOULDN'T BE HERE VOICING OUR CONCERNS... NOW WOULD WE ???..SO MAYBE JUS MAYBE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ALL EDUCATED LIKE YOU ARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY,CITY ,STATE-GOVERNMENT WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THEIR VIEWPOINTS AND IF THE MEDIA WANTS TO HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH US - BRING IT ON!! MAYBE JUST MAYBE WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE THE NECESSARY PR SKILLS TO TALK THE SAME BULL**** OR MAYBE JUST MAYBE PEOPLE JUST WANT TO BE PEOPLE AND EXPRESS THEMSELVES FREELY - AFTER ALL IT IS OUR RIGHT TO ISN'T IT??
KAILUA SPEAKS OUT -- GIVES IP#66.8.198.32 A TIME OUT FOR BEING A BAAAAAAAAAAD TEACHER
PLEASE DON'T INSULT US WITH YOU IGNORANCE AND YOU DO KNOW WHAT IP IS NOW DONT YOU!!!
Location: Kailua BEACH Oahu - KAILUA BOATRAMP
Oh great Nic Sin, almighty know it all. thank you for imparting all your wisdom to us. Unfortunately, your condescending manner and lack of people skills, turns people off. If ever you wanted to be ignored and more frustrated than you are now, you have just made sure that everyone will ignore you. Good luck - I can see life will only get tougher for you with the attitude of superiority that you have. Aloha
Location: Kailua Oahu
Mr. Nick,
People with " brains" will be laughing at??
Got me laughing ...The Xenoturbella does not appear to have a brain, but other living creatures do.
Do you actually think that emotions are not important factors in life?
Most choose the places they live, jobs, friends, spouses, schools, communties, and make choices in life based on their emotions. The word emotion is familiar to us all. Yet it becomes necessary to take a close look at its meaning in order to properly understand its role in advertising and all that its effective use entails. It is also necessary to distinguish emotion from closely associated words such as affect, motivation, mood, and personality.
I believe that the impossible is possible and beautiful thoughts lead to the creation of beautiful things. Last but not least, If you really don't miss someone or someplace, you're not living life deeply enough......I miss what Kailua used to be..
Location: Kailua
Emotions are certainly running high in this thread.
And "Dr. Sanjay" ... the term "Boy" was not meant as a a derogatory term, but was meant as a means of expression, such as "Man!" or "My Gosh!" Of course there is no way we would have known your age or sex for that matter.
Sometimes in this "Politically Correct" world we live in everyone should learn to chill out.
gobbles down a chill pill.....
one one thousand..............
I seem to hear the pali calling me ...
I seem to hear the surf at waikiki.....
Location: Kailua
Oooooooooooo look's like Nick Cyn, in an attempt to make himself appear more intelligent than everyone else... stepped on his own D***!
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Economics is another issue. Walmart and various large scale department stores do not go into areas unless the demographics meet their needs and there is a sufficient customer base. Walmart will not come to kailua when Kailua has on 55,000 residents. For them to do so would be a zero sum gain. So my suggestion is learn about economics and business before you try to argue it. People with brains will laugh when they hear that.
Brat *raises her hand* and asks:
But what about the Walmart that went up in Mililani? (population 45,093-- yr. 2000) and then only 5 minutes away, there's ANOTHER Walmart opened in Kunia! (population 667-- yr. 2000)
Brat *does the math in her head* OMG!!! 45,760 residents and not ONE but TWO Walmarts... what the hell were they thinking?!
I'm no economist, but seeing those numbers I'm thinking it's not such an impossibility for a Walmart to open in Kailua. Based on what you say of course!
Just one more thing... while you might like to lump Walmart into the same category as Daiei or Don Quihote, that's like lumping Morning Brew into the same category as Star Bucks. Get it? One's a commercial chain, while the other's unique, with a homey feel and it's been a fixture here.
Gee... if I only had a brain............
but much mahalos for your your "help & constructive critisisms" Nick Cyn-Ical
Location: Kailua
Oh2Funny4You...raises both hands..and applauds Brat!!
What ever happened to "Dr Sanjay", Brat, Kano, "me" and all the other posters?
I hope they weren't scared away by the threat of exposure of their names on the internet.
Would like to hear what they say. Unless of course they're all the same person.
No they are not the same people.. and yes many were upset that others were playing games and snooopin' into and trying to take personal attacks on computers and or peoples life on a personal note. I DID SHUT DOWN ALL DISPLAYING TO PUBLIC TRACKING CODES (if anyone sees anymore open please let me know)
As for DrSanjay that was my sons friend and he came on here trying to express himself and got insulted by you Baht If I recollect..
For this site was built for people to express themselves not get attacked and to be put up on a firing squad and or attacked on a personal basis..
As for me getting attacked I knew this when I first put up the site that my name would be visible and am ready for it to an extent but I am human and do get mad and If anyone gets too threatening I jus turn over all information to the proper authorities.
Location: KAILUA BEACH OAHU
Why don't you go back to the posting where I sincerely apologized to DrSanjay for the misunderstanding. As the webmaster, before you respond to someone, you should read the postings carefully rather than reading "into" them. Ask for a clarification before responding with fiery rhetoric.
As I said before...not everything is black and white.
I think I was justified in asking if these were the same people. 2Funny4you asked me the same thing, about Nick Cyn, but I don't hear you responding back to them in the same way you did to me.
You keep insisting that the individuals on here on the same person. You were offended when I asked if you and Nick were the same person. What happened to stick to the debate, and stop with the accusations?
Quite frankly I like having the bowling alley in Kailua. They just need to make improvements to it.
If young people are looking for activities, then I suggest they check out the new Boys and Girls Club that started in Kailua which Kaneohe Ranch helped to start.
Definitely a great way to keep them busy and a place to "hang out".
Yes I too am for the bowling alley continuing to be the bowling alley.. and think they should IMPROVE it.. does anyone know what exactly that Kaneohe Ranch has in plans for our town bowling alley??
I do know that there was a petition going around to SAVE the bowling alley....
Also....
As far as that Boys & Girls club.. it's not soooo positive ..
My son walking to the bus stop after school got MUGGED by a group of kids 4 - 6 kids that were supposed to be enrolled at the Kailua Boys & Girls club...attending a dance..my son was crossing the field going to the bus-stop to come home.
He had to be taken away in an ambulance and had a concussion.. The boys ran back to the club got the other kids to say they were there but thankfully other children proved them wrong and the one boy was arrested -- Those in charge of the Club said they can't monitor the children even though the parents think the children are at the club the children can sign out anytime they want.. thus hang out in the field..
So from PERSONAL experience and got records police & doctors & 2 weeks off of school due to a major concussion to prove the FACTS ..
That Boys & Girls Club is not a place that keeps them so busy after all!!And again just because there are a few rotten apples doesn't mean the whole program is rotten.
But personally I wouldn't want to send my children there but would much rather have a place where we as a family could go and enjoy like the bowling alley or a place like a video arcade place or something to that nature.. a family pizza place.. something more geared for Families..
Location: KAILUA BEACH OAHU
And you said I was "over-reacting" when I mentioned my wife almost getting raped in Kailua and that I was always seeming scared. Different when it applies to you doesn't it?
The Boys and Girls Club is a great organization and does what it can. Don't let a few bad apples spoil a good thing.
The one thing they do need is volunteers. They've been asking for that from the beginning so that they would have enough people to monitor the kids.
To everyone else I say...you want to make a positive impact on the community? Start with the youth.
As parents you can't watch them 24/7 and having a place to just "hang out" isn't enough. they need to channel their energy into positive things. Boys and Girls Club is a start when done right. It's not a babysitting service and comes down to parenting. Don't let the bad kids shut down this program.
As far as over-reacting I'm not over reacting.. I'm jus stating facts.. My son didn't let that stop him from walking across the field..It did make him more aware of his surroundings thus street smart....which is a good thing!
As far as the Boys & Girls club needing volunteers you are absolutely correct..
I myself was even thinking of volunteering at one point and time at the boys and girls club and still may even consider it ..
What about you Baht you do any community volunteering I haven't seen your name around town on community minutes or anything..
And again, sorry to hear about your wife....
For others who wish to learn more about the Boys and Girls club -- here is their website..
Boys & Girls Club Of Hawaii
Location: KAILUA BEACH OAHU
Yes as a matter of fact I am heavily involved in the Susan Komen Foundation after having lost a close friend to cancer, Hawaiian Humane Society, Shriners and Meals on Wheels. I'm not in any major positions, mind you, but do most of the grunt volunteer work.
So you see, when I say I am actually trying to make a better community I really do try. To me, actions speak much louder than words.
How about yourself?
Oh2Funny4you, Actually you were the one who started the thing about posters being the same people.
Awesome work Baht !! I donate monthly to meals on wheels, and Hawaii's Make a wish foundation. I as well have done volunteer work for Hospital's, filled up oranges bags picking up rubbish from the streets in Waimanalo, helped feed the homeless, and helped with activities for children at the YMCA. I feel that volunteer work is most rewarding. Sorry about the loss of your friend.
(Oh that "awesome work" was NOT meant as a sarcastic answer)
Thank you, for your time in volunteering.
Ya'll have a fantastic day !
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Baht,
Please check under the topic Illegal B&B's on April 10, the comment made by Nixon.... regarding ghost writers...
then check my comment on April 20, under Talk about Kailua... my question asking if you were the same person as nic...came in 10 days following Nixon's..
Go back, and do your homework....measure twice, cut once...
And your point is?
Frankly you just asked if we were the same person and I answered.
Baht Gwain
Apr 23rd, 2007 - 6:48 PM Re: OTHER TOPICS NOT LISTED
Oh2Funny4you, Actually you were the one who started the thing about posters being the same people.
Donate if you can.
http://support.shrinershospitals.org/site/PageServer?pagename=HowYouCanHelp
thanks for the link..
Please don't forget Ronald McDonald house as well....
http://www.ronaldhousehawaii.org/help.html
Now Now U 2
Im gonna make a room jus for you two LMAO
called "The Baht & 2 Funny Debate Room"
No get too out of hand- now..Mellow Out!
I can tell both of you that you both are utilizing different computers as well as Nick was using a different computer..
So that should settle the case of "Da 2-4-1 Who DA-Kine identity issue"
I'll even put a section on links to volunteer services and to places in which you can donate monies
too ...this should assist you folks from droppin more links like that...But, thanks for the initial entries to that new topic..
Hope you two are doing great today!!
I'll be out for the day - So hopefully you two will great any newcomers with hospitality (if by any chance they dare to enter the KailuaSpeaksOut Message board)
Since you two are regulars I'm sure you will handle emmm... 
Take care and have a good one~~ Aloha
Location: KAILUA BEACH OAHU
I put myself on time out..
Speaking of Time..
Are you aware that Times Supermarket stands for
(The Island Market Everyone Shops)..it's an oldie...
Showing my age...
Good Night all...
Another thing they should ban are the school and sports groups who are basically panhandling Castle Junction on the weekends.
What ever happened to selling Chili and Chicken?
This originally started with the Food Bank, which wasn't bad, but now it's like everyone is doing it.
It makes them seem not much better than the homeless guy holding the sign saying he's hungry, so please give him money. Give me a break. There was nothing wrong with him from what I could see.
It makes our kids look like beggars.
