I do think that Lucien and Marguerite know where he is...and probably Martine and Victor, also.

But, we haven't had a hint to where he is yet. I don't think weddings will bring him out. It is going to have to be something where he is really needed and has to overcome his bitterness to come out of seclusion!

W2ofAE4

I know.. the sad thing is that Lynsay has all the books planned until the end of 2010! Unless Avon does a triple publishing again we won't be seeing this book for a looong time..!

That's okay, because Armand will speak up when he is ready! In the meantime, there are so many other characters we are waiting on...and with so many to tell their stories, maybe the series will go on & on & on...

Gena - I think you are on to something. If Armand and Vita did have something, maybe it was because he was married at the time, and didn't want to be like JC because his wife at the time was pregnant. I'm sure he was aware of JC's activities, although Lucian didn't.

I think both Lucian and Martine know where he's at, since Lucian is head of the Council here and Martine is on the European Council. Isn't Julius on the European Council as well. They have to know where everyone is remember, because Lucian had to report to the Council in AQB that Greg was joining them soon. Oh the possibilities are endless.

I have to finish rereading, but I can't help but think that somewhere in the books, it was either VICTOR OR LUCIAN...who mentioned that they can find him if the situation requires it!!( I maybe making it up , but i really think i read it somewhere! anyway, I will keep you posted on that one!) I am sure there is a way especially if he is doing Council business which I am sure he is!

I don't think it is going to be a JC kind of situation....I think he probabl knew of it, eventually, but he wasn't directly invovled...
1st he was really mentioned in the book and would have been, and
2nd its not Lynsays' style to doubleup on a plot....He has his own story to tell and he will, just like therest of our fav family be a doosy!!



G3 of the infamous AE4! (SIGING OFF!)

HaHa

The Spice Files: Armand

Where everyone - thinks something bad shall happen to Jean Louise, wants Inez to shave, believes Thomas loves snuggling furry women, and want to see some da mn weddings. And Vita's still a freak. And, Actually Want Lynsay To Hear VOICES in her Head. (odd that one )

Keli you will notice that as the time gets closer to the apperance of a new Immortal/book. I start with the Conspieracy theories....

You can keep the files organized...

and with the help of my sisters, we should be able to havea pretty well thought out plan!!

Gena I think you are right. In fact I think I read that too about being able to contact Armand. If it is going to be one of his relatives in danger it will be probably be Jean Louise.


Sorry no conspiracy theories to add. I'm not very helpful tonite sorry.

J4 of AE4

OK...I am hooked J4 where did you come up with JL as being the one in trouble....I have heard her name pop up a few times...???

I think W2 mentioned it first. It made sense because like she said it will take a lot for him to come out of seclusion.

OK...way out of nowhere....

Martine's 2nd husband ALOYSIUS! We havn't heard about him at all!!! What if he needs help, and Martine gets V or L to get him!!
(I know i am reaching!..but thats what i do...)

G3 out!

It is possibility. Armand would probably come out if his family was in serious trouble. Of course of V and L are there then he may not come out.

What if V and L are there and also Decker? After all this is his father right?

Aloysius is Martine's 2nd lifemate, and Decker is their son. Then they have three daughters, Elspeth, and the twins, Julianna and Victoria. It seems like Martine could mean business when she wants! Did she strike anyone else that way in AQB?

Sometimes a mother or in this case, a sister, can get a man moving better than his brothers! If Martine decided it was time for Armand to get a grip on life again and enlisted Marguerite's help...he wouldn't stand a chance!

W2ofAE4

That is so true. Marguerite and Martine were absolutely scary in AQB.

Oh yea!! They are scary in different ways!!! but put them together no one stands a chance!!!

I wasn't sure if i was going to like Martine in AQB!! The more I read of her the more I thought she was invovled with JC...but somthing tells me we are going to see a change inher soon!!!!

G3 of the AE4!!

Well I hate to say this but Lucian wasn't the only one who looked the other way when JC was pulling his nonsense. Martine knew what was going on too. And she was old enough to put a stop to him and she didn't either.

I know that L wasn't alone......

but i have a really strange feelinmg we are going to hear more from Matrine and i am warming up to her slowly!!!

g3(last post for the weekend!)

I guess. I am on the fence about her just yet. I need more time to get to know her.

But remember Martine helped Greg & Lissi out.
She went up on that score

hmmm, I am not sure how I feel about Martine but I agree with Jill we need to see more of her to get a real feel for what she is like, she has up to this point been in the backround and kind of a blur for me.

Jodi that is exactly how I feel about her. She was a "background blur" Even in AQB you didn't see too much of her. Maybe she will feature more when we have a book featuring Decker.

Hint, hint Mr. and Mrs. Spice

oh yes any tidbits you would like to share with us? Please! we won't tell anyone I promise, right Jill?

Of course the Spice secrets are safe with me

Ok ladies and gentlemen (Acal) - in chapter 12 of VAF some interesting information was revealed during a conversation between Thomas and Inez when they were talking about lifemates and the one turn law.

Inez asks Thomas about Jean Louise being his half sister? and if his father found a second lifemate after Thomas' mother died?

Thomas' reply was "Well, no, actually he didn't" and went on to explain it was kind of complicated, and states that although they were all immortal they just kept dying on him.

Hmmmm, do we have another Jean Claude type situation here? Did all of his wives favor one another? And the reason why he married them?

Stauri - Who's just adding more fuel to the fire.

Oooh Stauri your bad. More conspiracy theories. Hmmm... Good question. It is a possibility. Although believe or not I am inclined to believe that Armand is a good guy. Most of the Argeneau siblings were. I think Jean Claude was the exception to the rule.

Also, Jean Claude was not always bad...just spoiled and willing to let Lucian be the strong twin. He did the wrong thing in turning Marguerite just because she looked like his Atlantis lifemate that he had lost. Then again, she would have died at a very young age if he had not turned her.

I still think if Vita had not intefered, JC would have stayed "dead" and left Marguerite alone to be happy. But then, Marguerite would not have had her other three children...in some way, I think he tried to make it up to her by giving her the children she wanted. He kept her isolated to keep the three-on-one from being discovered!

It was his guilt and heartache that caused him to turn to alcohol and addiction...he wasn't always bad, but he was weak. That was Morgan's problem at the end also...he had at one time been mostly good, but he turned weak and cowardly at the end.

wren

Wren I couldn't agree with you more. I think that is why all of JC and Marguerite's children turned out the way they did. Lucern kept to himself, not talking and feeling, Bastien went to work for his dad (I'm sure trying to get close to him or prove himself worthy), Ettiene (still haven't figured out how he was affected - but may have been during one JC's disappearing act periods), Lissiana was treated just like Marguerite and not allowed to think for herself, Thomas, Jeanne Louise, and Vincent were all raised by Marguerite (I'm still trying to figure out why Martine wouldn't have taken some of the kids on though).

Marguerite has such a soft spot for her children (as almost all mothers do), that I'm sure she will have more.

You know I should have wrote down all my brainstorming theories regarding Armand.

Gezzzzzzzze this is a good thread. I agree I want to know more about Armand. And I also agree that I think that Margurite has kept him in the loop. Interesing take on the childbirth..... gee you all have some mighty good points
Off to give this subject more thought.

Oh I think she will considering that Lissiana was born 200 years ago, I think she maybe working on her next child with Julius a brother or sister for Christian and another half-brother/sister for the Argeneaus

It seems to me that like Victor and even Lucian when they lose their lifemates they pull away for a while. In Lucian's case he pulled away from the whole family staying on the outskirts always watching. Victor pulled away from Vincent because seeing him was a too painful reminder of his lost lifemate and I believe that is what Armand is doing. It seems to be a pattern.

Yes, it does, and I'm trying to figure out where Armand fits in all of this. His little piece of the puzzle is hidden under the box somewhere and it's going to take all of us to find him.

I'm sure this was talked about before, but I had a "oh, so that's where all this ties into moment". I was re-reading VI and duh, remembered ABTR when the Notte's showed up, and at the supposedly the same time Lucian was chasing Morgan. Hello Stauri, took a while for the cord to reach the socket, but duh. Vita knew Christian and the other Notte clan were going to Cali, I'm sure knowing Marguerite was there. She must have contacted Morgan over that time and blackmailed him, which is truly why he went rogue in the first place. Not because he was bored with life, but to get Lucian away from the rest of the family and not going to help Marguerite in Cali. Where he would have seen Marcus and recognized him, and then things would have happened much faster. Vita was more vicious and cunning than we realized guys. Anyway, I'm thinking Armand fits into this somehow, I just have to go back and look at the dates. He too has to be tied in some small way to Vita maybe.

JMO

Oooo very good theory Stauri! That sounds really good, That would be the convience, because right after Lucian had finished the job Marguerite was leaving for her job

I can't wait until Armand's book comes up though

Stauri...

That is definitely a possibility, except hadn't Morgan already gone rogue before ABTR?? I will have to check on that, but the rest of it sounds interesting. You are right about Lucian, if he had gone to CALI then he would have realised that the NOTTE's were back in the picture and between Marcus and Christian all of that would have come out.I have thought since coming across VITA that Armand (wasn't involved maybe) but knows something about the Marguerite/Julius situation.

You and I are definitely thinking in the same direction...

Gena, BMIYC was after ABTR, Marguerite had just returned home after Vincent got together with Jackie and was packing to leave for Europe. So while the Notte's were in Cali Lucian was hunting Morgan. Lucian brought Leigh to Marguerite's when she was leaving to go look for Christian's mother.

I need to got through the last 5 books again and make me a timeline. We'll crack some of this case yet. Maybe we should work for Jackie. lol

I remember when you guys had put all the pieces together before VI came out, and have everything figured out except Vita.

Sometimes I forget that Armand and JC were brothers. Since that is the case what if Armand knew about JC finding another lifemate was helping him hide from Lucian and Marguerite.

I don't think he would have helped Vita destroy JC but he may have wanted help make JC happy again knowing what it felt like to lose a lifemate of his own.

Well one theory I came up with on Armand losing his 3rd Lifemate while giving birth to Jeanne Louise, is that she gave birth alone and lost a lot of blood while giving birth to her, and she didn't have anyone there to help her replenish the supply. Awful way to go, but that's a theory.

Armand could have been so upset that he wasn't there, that he hasn't forgiven himself for it.

I don't think Thomas' mother or Jeanne Louise's mother were lifemates. Not that he was a JC, but may have been like Leigh was with Morgan. Morgan didn't have complete control of Leigh which intrigued him. Could be the case with Armand. Of course wife #1 could have not been a lifemate either, and decided instead of living with him and seeing how Marguerite was treated by JC, she decided to destroy herself. I know I have some really morbid thoughts but, hey I'm trying to come up with how they died.

That's the thing....

I think Lynsay said, and correct me if i am wrong, that not all of Armand's wives were life-mates....So if you read between the lines, at least one was!!
NOW....I am thinking t was his first, she could have dies a number of ways, a lot of immortals died trying to get out of Atlantis or right after due to different reasons, maybe she was one who tried the drug on herself and it had a side effect.

As far as the other two, I think you might be right about them...I don't think Armand was anything like JC either, but like you said he might have been so lonely that finding someone close to it, with a resistant mind might have intrigued him!!

As far a JL mother....a lot of things can go wrong during pregnancy, I don't think he would be selfish enough to leave her alone while giving birth, but he might not have been able to handle it once something went wrong. Do we know what the survival rate is for immortal births?? Going on the "died while giving birth theory!" she might have given herself up so that JL could live if something went wrong and Armand couldn't handle it so he dropped her off and disappeared....at any rate, i can't wait for his book, you know its going to e good. He just has too much mystery round him not to be!!!


G3 of AE4!

Going by their birth and death dates on the family tree, none of Armand's wives could have been from Atlantis. Also, they were all immortals when they died, so he could not have turned all of them. They were either born immortal, or Armand was breaking the one turn law.

Armand was born in 1100 BC. We don't know if he had a wife in Atlantis.

Susanna, his first wife lived from 1430-1449, and was only 19yo when she died.

Althea, his second wife, and Thomas' mother lived from 1775-1798, and was only 23yo when she died. Thomas was 4yo.

Rosamund, his third wife, and Jeanne Louise's mother, lived from 1888-1909, and was only 21yo when she died.
Jeanne Louise was born in 1909.

Lucian and Jean Claude(d.1995) are his older brothers by 434 years, Martine is his older sister by 180 years, and Victor is his younger brother by 870 years. We know they had other siblings that are not listed on the family tree. Other than Armand being bitter and reclusive since 1909, when he was 3005 years old, I can't think of much more that we actually know about him.

I do wonder about this, though. Maybe his true lifemate wasn't either of his first two wives, but his last. Did he turn her, which leaves him unable to turn another, or was she already an immortal when they met? If he did turn her, then finding a born immortal lifemate is his only chance again. Or was he just so sad to have finally found a true lifemate, and then she died so very young also.

Or, one of his first two wives could have been a true lifemate, and then his last wife could have been also.
Lynsay didn't say he had only one lifemate. She said that not all of his wives were lifemates. If two of the three were lifemates, he may be bitter thinking there is no more hope for him.

What possible twists and turns...the perfect Argeneau story!

wren

Something to note as well, he likes the young ones (i.e. his first wife died at 19 and his second wife was 19 when she gave birth to Thomas)hmmmm.....

Okay, reading back through, I saw the post by Stauri on VAF and Thomas. Since Thomas was about 115yo when Rosamunde died and Jeanne Louise was born, he would have known that she was not a true lifemate. Thomas may have actually been around his father and Rosamunde some of that time. If Armand had married Rosamunde when she was 15yo, Thomas could have met her during their six years of marriage more than once. She died when she was only 21yo, so Armand had to have married her at least by 20yo because Jeanne Louise was born the year of Rosamunde's death. Other than that, any information would have probably come from Marguerite, or by that time...the vicious Jean Claude.

On a side note, that reminds me...JC made it clear to Thomas that he was not to call Marguerite "Mother." Remember Thomas' conversation...I think with Bastien, about that. I wonder if JC was worried that someone other than their four children calling her mother might trigger a "memory" for Marguerite of another child. Just like he kept her isolated and out of England after the three-on-one.

Back on topic, there were only 90 years between the death of Althea and the birth of Rosamunde. It seems unlikely that both would be lifemates. If these wives were all born immortals, they were very young when they married because they were all under 25yo when they died. Of course, at the time they lived, women married very young, often in their mid-late teens.

However, the one turn law had to already be in effect, because they were all born after Marguerite. So before Marguerite's birth in 1265, the immortals had already organized their first council and began making some of the earliest laws.

Hmmmm...

wren

Hey G3,

We can read between the lines and know that at least one of Armand's wives was a lifemate. But...what if that lifemate was in Atlantis. None of the Atlantis lifemates are on the family tree except for Martine's first husband. We know he had three wives after Atlantis...but we don't know if he was married in Atlantis. Were any of his wives after the fall a true lifemate?

Was Victor born after the fall of Atlantis? He told Elvi he had only had one lifemate before meeting her, who was Marion, the mother of his son Vincent. It would make sense that he was not married before the fall if he was born afterwards. The reason I ask is because Darius, Martine's first husband died in 260 BC...he was beheaded in battle, and Victor was not born until 230 BC. Atlantis was isolated from everyone else, so were they battling each other...especially by beheading when they were so advanced scientifically. I doubt it. I believe that came about after the fall and when they evolved. That would mean that Martine's three older sons were born B.C. ~ more older vamps!


Hmmm...time to get out TAV and read up on the part where they are telling Elvi when they were all born. It seems they do give the date of Victor's birth, but not the where. Just that his parents came from Atlantis. With Lucian, he has to tell Leigh that "he" came from Atlantis. Seems we need to do some research!
Such a pleasure to reread for research purposes...

Anyone else think it's time for Armand to come out of hiding!

W2

Victor was born 230 BC which would be before the fall, which was in 79 AD, wasn't it? when Alexandria and Ramses died. And I don't remember that it said that all of Armand's wives were immortal when they died. A mortal wife didn't have to be turned when they married. They could refuse and live out a normal life. And I thought it has been said that pregnancies are possible between mortal and immortal, though rare. So couldn't Armand's wives all have been mortal? I've got to finish re-reading!

Thomas tells Inez in TAV p.252 about his father's wives "They just kept dying on him...Not an easy thing when they were all immortals"

Thanks, Wren. I couldn't remember. That's why I'm re-reading, now that we know who the next few books will be about.

We should take this thread over to the new forum, why doesn't somebody transfer the posts over?

The impression that I got was that Atlantis fell a lot sooner then 76AD, for Darius to be beheaded in battle I'm assuming that is when he was enlisted in the army of some nation considering the time peroid it was possibly the Greek or Ptolmaic army and he was beheaded by the largest enemy at the time the Persians

I doubt that a society as advanced and isolated as Atlantis would have a war with itself unless there was more then one city on the island. The only way I could think of him being killed on Atlantis is that the Atlantian Council had him executed.

Dave mentioned doing just that. After everyone was there. That is those who CAN.

Ah, Cindy is one of us locked out, too, I see.

YEP!!! Not a happy camper.

Same here, I registered, but I haven't received a confirmation e-mail.

Stauri have you checked your spam/junk folder?
I am registered just locked out with a general error.
Same with Denise.