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Re: the believer's security

Since you have clarified your position, I concur 100% with regard to a Christian being saved. But the scriptures are clear that one can be a "true" Christian and lose his or her salvation if they fall from grace. That is the overwhelming power of sin and death when we become enslaved to it. A person can become complacent and so negligent as to lose salvation. I think I have used enough scripture to validate this position.

Your preacher is not in a position to say the thing that he says; judgment is reserved for God. No one is in a position to say where Judas (or anyone else) will spend eternity either.

A true Christian has to be very careful of sin because it can end in the second death. Sin can contaminate anyone and that is the very real and serious danger of sin and also why we must strive with fervent prayer and study so that we mature to hate sin.

But you are correct; the true lover of God is obedient and loves His word, loves His church, loves His neighbor, and hates sin. That person, being filled with the Holy Spirit, is in a position to receive salvation. However, the Holy Spirit can be grieved and blasphemed against with heresy and disobedience by true Christians when they are careless with sin and even those things that can lead to sin. Satan is cunning, baffling, powerful, and relentless in his attempts to ensnare us. This is the very real danger of dying outside of the fellowship of God.

It is a horrifying scenario for those who live in error while believing themselves to be in truth to have Jesus say "depart from me, I never knew you"... these persons that Jesus is referring to are "true" Christians; sacrificing in His name, doing great work in His name and all the while living sinfully. "Workers of iniquity" they are called; workers of sinful acts. Teaching false doctrine, no matter how sincere; causing others to be in error too. Relying on human wisdom and traditions instead of God's divine Word. They have good intentions and a true spirit of meekness but are acting outside of the authority of the Word and independent of the covering of the blood and body of Jesus Christ.

So, in essence, we have to really give diligence not to think that Jesus and His covenant are so common as to neglect its purity, righteousness, holiness, and power to save. Our adversaries will use our preachers, our husbands and wives, our children, our brothers and sisters, fellow Christians, sinners, wealth, health (disease), careers, war, pestilence, persecution.... you get the point.. they will use anything fair or otherwise to trip us up. They will even use the truth with the slightest twist in order to raise that which is against God. We can have hope, even in all of this raging battle, and overcome by an unyielding, diligent, and totally submissive service to our Savior. You are right; His blood can overcome sin!


2 Corinthians 13:5-8
5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you? -- unless indeed you are disqualified. 6 But I trust that you will know that we are not disqualified. 7 Now I pray to God that you do no evil, not that we should appear approved, but that you should do what is honorable, though we may seem disqualified. 8 For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.

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