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MR. SPICE how can you sell an unedtted copy??

DEAD SEXY:Amanda Ashley:UNCORRECTED PROOF Item number: 320228347490

I didn't know that you can sell these advanced proofs...am i wrong on this.

G3

Re: MR. SPICE how can you sell an unedtted copy??

Shes probably stolen it, drafts are never sold. Its unfinished so why would they be sold? I think that this person would have been in a position to steal the draft make a copy of it and run off with it

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acal...its finished, its just an UNCORRECTED PROOF...whitch is something I thought only the author and the editors would have, but i could be wrong, thats why I am asking Mr. SPICE (he knows all)SmileyCentral.com

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Lol if it was intentional they've somehow got the wrong copy

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Gena it may be that someone won it in a contest. But as you say Mr. Spice or Lynsay will know.

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Thank you, Gena, how could I refuse.

An advance, uncorrected, proof copy - also known as an ARC (advance review copy) is essentially the penultimate stage in the manufacturing process. It's the first complete and fully bound copy of the book to be produced. It is created to send out to reviewers and distributors to get them interested and generate publicity prior to the full print run of a book being undertaken.

ARCs are very rarely completely or even partially unedited. The manuscript will have been edited several times prior to the printing of the ARC and the actual typesetting of the work, by the printer, will also have been checked earlier by sending the author the loose, unbound pages of the book for final approval. The publisher will usually add a disclaimer on the ARC to the effect that it is only a proof copy and that there may still be changes made to the book even after the review copies have been distributed.

An Arc can differ from the finished book in a few minor ways. The cover may be different in some way, for example it may not have the foil printing or metallic effect of the finished version and in rare occasions it may be a completely different cover to the final edition. The back cover of the ARC of Vampires Are Forever has a different blurb to that on the retail version of the book; there is a message from Lynsay's editor and some additional information regarding the release date and publishing details. There is also often no barcode on an ARC.

The paper used for the pages in an ARC is often of a noticably different type to the final book and the print quality is usually slightly inferior to the book that ends up on the shelves.

We did have one instance - I think it was Bite Me If You Can - where the page collation on the ARC was wrong and the book had the section with pages 93 to 145 occuring twice and a whole other section of the book omitted completely. This was corrected for the final print run.

ARCS, which are coveted by book collectors, find their way onto the used book market in a number of ways. Reviewers may sell their copies or even give them away once they have done with them, some authors (one of whom will remain nameless) will give away their own copies of ARCS as competition prizes and most publishers will give them away as promotional items. Generally they're not too hard to come by and if you watch eBay closely enough you'll see a fair number of ARCS by all current authors offered for sale - with the probable exception of those bearing the name of J.K Rowling.

So, there you are. I hope this answers your question.

Dave

Re: MR. SPICE how can you sell an unedtted copy??

That certainly answers it Of course it would be a collectors item, but i'm still puzzled as to why anyone would want to buy something thats not as good as the finished product. That just boggles the mind

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People buy them because it's a limited supply thing...not everyone has one. To someone who is a collector, that is important, and sometimes the value of something like an ARC will go up when an author becomes a top ten bestselling lists author. If you have one from an author like J.K.Rowling or Stephen King...well, you have something that is probably very limited and valuable, and a lot of people willing to purchase them from you. My hardcover copy of The Half-Blood Prince by J.K.Rowling is bound upside-down and backwards...and I kept it because it is different. The entire book is there, but the binding wasn't done correctly. Who knows...if I ever met J.K.Rowling, that is the book I would want her to sign, I think.

As far as collecting, anything goes...it all depends on the person! I love beautiful snowglobes, but collecting them isn't my cup of tea...although I have know several people who do...for me, it's something more to dust! Some of them are limited editions, and become very valuable when they are no longer available.

Some people collect dolls or action figures or stamps or sports or anime cards, and never take them out of the packages! You may look but not touch. If they are never opened and the packages are not handled, much later when they are not available anymore or the trend has passed, they are way more valuable because they are in mint condition.

Star Trek and Star Wars fans are some that can be related to this way...at conferences, they will have all kinds of things from over the years to buy or trade. They are a big one that comes to mind, because there have been several generations of fans for both of these series...and these fans are serious about the conferences, characters, costumes, and collectibles.

If Lynsay ever had an Argeneau conference...well, I know there are a few fans on here who would use all their powers and pennies to go if possible. And, if I could get an ARC of Lynsay's...yes, I would buy it if I could and knew it was authentic and not illegal to do so.

wren ...sorry, but it's early in the morning...and I must get a good start on getting all these extra words out of my system!

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Ah, Wren, the collector's mindset is something to behold and the worst of them all are record collectors.

Can you imagine any other field where someone could write an entire book about nothing else other than printing variations on the labels of Beatles records in the 1960's. Not the band, not the music, just the printing on the labels.

I have to confess that record collecting is my own addiction but I'm not too much of an obsessive and I'm certainly not a completist - which is the term used to describe someone who has to have every edition and every variant of an item.

In the book collector's world ARCs are considered by many to be the true first edition of the book and just like any first editions, depending on the collectability of the author, they are sought after.

Even with Lynsay's books I have tried to make sure we have a full set of all the editions that have ever been printed - including foreign language editions. The only ones I haven't been able to get hold of are the Chinese issues. Everything else we have is catalogued on the Library Thing website and can be seen here.

http://www.librarything.com/catalog.php?view=lynsay_sands

Dave

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okay now I don't feel so bad about going nuts with buying authors whole series sets. There is actually a term for those more obsessed than me? Heehee good to know

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Something I forgot to mention is that it isn't illegal to sell an ARC - or at least I certainly wouldn't want to be the one who tries to obtain a successful prosecution against an Arc seller.

The statement on the books which is usually something like Promotional Copy - Not For Sale refers to retail sale in a bookstore, i.e. it isn't supposed to be offered up and passed off as a new retail copy of the book in your local branch of Barnes & Noble.

Once an Arc hits the collector's market then it's a different story and comes down to who wants it and how much, or how little, they are prepared to pay, although it's always worth remembering that it is always in the seller's interest to inflate the rarity, the demand and the price of any collector's item.

Caveat emptor - or let the buyer beware - as the Romans might have said.

Dave

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Sort of like saying there might be 100 or so of these copies and you have like 10 of them but only selling one at a time

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Mr. SPICE....thanks, I had no idea about any of that. I think it was the first one I have come across, and you were right about the cover...i think the printed books has the face of a man on it in red with black background, but this bookwas mor like a movie/stage script, all 1 colour, and black writing.
my main concern however was that it wasn't illegal to sell them.

Thanks again for the info.
G3 of AE4

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I have to say I would never sell an ARC.

I am glad to hear there are other collectors here.
I have all my paperbacks of the Argeneaus, but as I have said before. I like to get my favorite books in Hardback too. So far I have all the Argeneaus except A quick bite, Love Bites and Tall dark and Hungry in Hardback. I also have HIGHLAND THIRST, MY IMMORTAL HIGHLANDER in hb. Its a sickness.... lol
if anyone see the three Im missing anywhere let me know........ please

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As far as I'm aware some of them aren't available in hardcover. I'm almost certain that none of the Dorchester books have been issued that way, but if anyone knows any different please let me know.

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Well that sucks that those aren't in hard cover. I do the same thing, getting the faves that I can in hard cover. I hate massmarket paperbacks you read it once and the spine looks like you tortured it and the ink comes off on my fingers. One problem I have with Lynsays historical books are the pages like to come out, I have The Perfect Wife, The Key, The Chase, and The Brat. The Brat is the only one without missing pages The Perfect Wife had 20 pages fall out and I was like oh goodness because I lost them somehow.
No Trade Size Paperbacks are pretty awesome even though they are like $15.00, one of my constant authors Bertrice Small uses that and hardcover and massmarket but I like buying her Trades. Tra La La here I am rambling.

Wouldn't buying the collectors books you are talking about kind of be like a movie that you got on dvd where you can extend scenes or change endings. Not see the final project that you were given in theaters. That's what the copies you are talking about remind me of.

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Wow what a very crappy publisher to have pages fall out and have the ink run.. thats very low quality, all the mass retail paperbacks I have don't have any of those problems, and the spines on my paperbacks on have a low amount of spine creasing.

I dont like hardbacks they are very expensive and they look out of place amoungst my paperbacks also it really really annoys me that the paperbacks are only out after like 8 months from the hardback so I have to get the hardback if I want to read it in that year!

Those Dorchester people sound really crappy if that many pages fall out.. are they using primary school glue to stick the pages in?

Kelley Armstrong has gone into hardbacks now, a fact I dont like because my book prices have gone up by $15, $18 for the paperback and $32 for the hardback.. Not to mention some authors hardbacks are the price of 2 1/2 books! Kim Johnson's newest book is in hardback and its $45!! (compared to her $18 paperbacks.. Just got to wonder how much of these greatly increased prices the authors benfit from.. greedy publishers)

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I usually try to read my paperbacks so carefully that spines stay in their "like new" condition. I checked my Argeneau collection (I have all 9) and only A Quick Bite and Love Bites have few small lines in their spines although I have read all of them at least twice. (Except IV since I remember first two or three chapters too well and want to wait a while before reading it again.)

BTW Where can you find Argeneaus in hardcover?????

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Where would you? They aren't in hardback in Australia (thank god.. hate hardbacks cost way too much when you can get the book for half the price)

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Heli

A few of the hardcover editions have been made available through Amazon and Barnes & Noble but the specific reason the hardcover editions of Lynsay's books are produced in the first place is to sell through book clubs.

There are two that I know of that have Lynsay's titles. One is The Rhapsody Book Club and the other is The Doubleday Book Club - although there are probably a number of others that I'm not aware of - and you can find details of both if you do an interent search.

Dave

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Or even an internet search might do the trick.

I seem to have unruly typing fingers today.

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I did find few hardcovers from amazon.com but they were used (who knows in what condition) and those book clubs are for US citizens only. But it's ok. It would have been nice to have one or two my favourites in hardcover. Of course, then I would have to decide witch ones are my favourites... And I couldn't even choose 4 for the earlier competition...

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I got 3 of mine on ebay and the other three on The Rhapsody Book Club. Hey Mr Spice Which ones are from Dorchester???

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Love Bites, Single White Vampire & Tall Dark and Hungry

I know that because they have different covers and also I remember reading that Avon changed the cover style when Lynsay signed the contract with them

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I like the way the covers are now. The first three were nice and fun but the others are sexy (I don't get embarrassed if anyone notices that the book I am reading has a shirtless man on it, they are being nosy :) ) and the bat thingy was kinda cook. V,I was the sexiest cover I thought even though it was not like "heyyyyy I am naked!!!!!!! " or anything (odd cover that would be) and the silver as a nice touch. its Classy Sexy like Marguerite (spelling possibly wrong, sorry)

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So My collection will nevvva be complete........ arrrrggggggg.

I have sent a letter to the book club asking if they will reissue them in HB> what can i say .... its a sickness.

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Linda, that is why I decided not to collect them in hardback, because those 3 Dorchester ones will probably never be put out in hardback. If they ever are, I'll re-evaluate.

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I have most of them in hardback I accidentally stumbled upon Lucian through rhapsody and now I have all the books and the ones I can I have in hardback and paperback.

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Kelli, You make me feel better..... I love to have my HB's of my favs. But I keep my pb too.