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Re: A summary

Hi Ron,

Thanks for the interesting summary of how we got to where we are now.

I might add that I have the answer to your question:

"Then during La Belle Epoch (LBE here-after) there was a radical sea change and by the end of LBE the collectivist liberal philosophy was dominant and still growing in influence."

In my considered opinion the radical sea change was brought about by a change in the role that the news media thought they should play -- or not play anymore -- in protecting our country from government tyranny.

This change was also a cultural-social change as well. Did you know, for example, that in the early days of the New York Times they were adamantly pro life?

Early journalism, going all the way back to Ben Franklin's day, believed that an unchecked government was the enemy. It was an enemy that lived in the dark, but one that could be beaten by being exposed to the light.

So the media took on the important job of being the "watchdog" against the government, and thus also the protector of the Constitution.

What happened to change that ties in with your summary history. Newspapers got big. Very big. And very powerful. Their owners could change the future merely by a shift in editorial policy.

Power and money corrupts. Absolutely, without fail.

These powerful newspaper owners had collectivist leanings. Like begets like, and before you know it, you've got newsrooms that are 90+ percent leftist. Showing bias toward unions, abortion, feminism, public education -- basically all the ills of our society.

It's gotten so bad in the past 50+ years that they have not only thrown objectivity out the window, but they are actually operating on an agenda to advocate and promote a socialist "utopia."

That's why if you get your news exclusively from mainstream media newspapers, radio and television news, you are getting nothing even remotely resembling the truth.

Think of the major "gates" that have been trumpeted by the media as big investigative journalism successes. Virtually all of them were hyped up against Republican administrations.

Whereas, your Clinton and Obama administration abominations are largely given a "bye" by the media. Can you imagine even the least little thing that Obama has done in the past two years not being major, major news if it had been done by a Republican president? It's all in the media's agenda.

So, then you have millions of people watching their MSNBC, their CBS and ABC news, for example, who have no clue how ignorant they are that they are being led by a complicit media down the road to socialism.

In my opinion, that explains how a total fraud like Obama, who hates this country, hates the freedoms it represents, and who is sworn to destroy this country, can get so many ignorant people voting to help him do it.

I believe that the media's role in the tragic failing of our country is so important I'd say that it couldn't have happened without their actual, complicit advocacy and cooperation.

Dave

Re: A summary summarized

Dave,
I didn't ignore your reply. Instead you gave me enough to thank about that I had to think for awhile to get my thoughts straight.
Actually Mr. Gatto gave us the answer when he explained that our oligarchy was no a conspiracy. The Oligarchy was simply a group of people who were either associates or at a similar level in society. They found themselves in agreement with one another and with the times they were living in. You might like to see the Introduction to the hardback version of Andrew Carnegy's Gospel of Wealth.
William Randolph Hearst and Joesph Pulitzer were just two more members of that loosely associated group of individuals we call the oligarchy.
Ron

Re: So utterly ridiculous, especially on a site that claims to be about education

Reffington
Dave believes that God sent tornadoes to Joplin, MO, because Barack Obama urged Israel's Bibi to return to pre-1967 borders.


Louise, to clarify, I don't know for a fact that the increase in "natural" disasters all around the world these days is the result of God's judgment. All I know is what God says in his word about signs of the coming end times. There are just too many signs to ignore, too many prophecies being fulfilled, too many nations being positioned exactly as God said they would be in His word.

If you don't like it, or if it offends you to hear that then I can't help you. But, your disbelief doesn't change how things are going to be by even a single molecule.

Reffington
But maybe I should write to Dave and offer him some kind of gift to take the edge off my criticism. Then we could all share private jokes about it.


Hey, I'm game. Give it a whack!

Dave

Re: So utterly ridiculous, especially on a site that claims to be about education

I have no idea how you believe what you do, but at least you're a good sport.


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