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Re: What IS your definition of theft?

>>>>>But no, you believe in a privatized market economy, privatized roads, privatized security forces, privatized everything, including the sale of one's own body parts for transplant.<<<

Only if one wants that. You are free to live in a community that is fully communistic and "unselfish".

>>>>>I don't. In fact, I can't imagine a much worse society in which to live than the ones you describe when talking about anarcho-capitalism and free markets,<<<<

So don't live in one. Contract with others and form your own commune/kibbutz type arrangement where there are no evil corporations or "sweatshops". What is the big deal?

>>>>>as if market mechanisms were a good stand-in for government.<<<<<

As if??? You are not getting this. Open your mind. Why would I want to "substitute" ANYTHING for state tyranny?? Market mechanisms are simply that. The most efficient, cheapest and fair means of production and distribution.

>>>> Nor am I pursuing perfect worlds.<<<<

Of course you are! You and Ron BOTH are. Instead of letting excellence and liberty call the shots, you want to be as little gods and decide how the pie of other peoples productivity "should" be divvied up, how they "should" live, what they "should think". You are a regular Church Lady with all your moral superiority in service of statism as YOUR "greatest good".

>>>>The only apparent place where you feel property ownership should not prevail is in intellectual property.<<<<<

That is because it doesn't exist. An idea is something that is used by someone else you still have it. Not only that, in our current culture protected ideas are MADE prevalent and stored in peoples heads without their even realizing it via the media. IP is actually not a property right, it is a control on thought and behavior.

>>>> As if any book author or inventor should spend years creating something, only to give it away for free the next day.<<<

Oh, dear!! No one would write books without copyright law! LOL! You are against something being given away for free??!! But it benefits "society"! Why are you protecting THIS particular piece of "pie"?? Perhaps because it is so close to YOUR pie?

>>>> There is a legitimate need for copyright law and intellectual property rights for a certain limited number of years.<<<<

B.S.! Besides, your great state priests in black robes simply EXTEND the "protection" as they see fit for the corporations. And now we have universities and labs copyrighting the DNA of other humans, sometimes even without their knowledge. Someday the plan is to have to apply for permission to reproduce, and I'm sure, pay a royalty for the "right".

>>>>>You also claim to believe in self-ownership. However, that concept goes out the window if you think a mother should sacrifice her own life so a fetus can be brought to birth.<<<<<

I hope I would. Maybe you have to be a mother, or want to be one very badly to understand that. But I'm not saying YOU should have to. It would be personal choice. No one elses business.

>>>>> Gee, I guess women aren't self-owners after all. Turns out only men get to claim privilege as their own.<<<<<

How so? I believe that the unborn are human. You do not. Another reason why we should not live in the same "society". You need a "society" where the unborn can be butchered at will, even "celebrated" as a great "liberty".

>>>>>And how would you wield the force and coercion of private security forces in your Dream Land Anarcho-Capitalist utopia?<<<<<

I am not the one promising utopia. All I promise is liberty. The rest is up to you. YOU are the one claiming government does all sorts of good and society can't exist without it, claiming the utopian notion that you just need "good" rulers and "the people" need to control them and THEN "society" will be all that it "should" be....No thanks.

>>>>>>Would you charge anyone concerned over product safety or environmental safety with eco-terrorism? <<<<

Concerned? No. I wouldn't "charge" anyone with anything, except perhaps property destruction and demand recompense if they did.

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