Hi everyone,

Just to clarify my own thinking on this, which goes something as follows. For me, discovery is as js points out, something that one finds: one finds or becomes aware of some fact or thing. However, truth is much more subtle, in that it is ones accordance with the discovered and known facts and more importantly the awareness of those facts which is subject to change. When one goes to sleep, ones surroundings disappear as an objective fact, and in accordance with that we allow ourselves to dream. Further, in my own mind, I make a distinction between this relative, religious truth (religion in the sense of the Latin religio-onis meaning obligation, bond and reverence) and that of Ultimate Truth, Truth with a capital ‘T’ which I think is something that comes out of the very centre of our own Beingness, and in that sense, I think is Created in a very real way. It has to do with Self knowledge, with the inner sense of who we really are, not some idea of emotional attachment to a virtual view, but a powerful knowing who/what one is. When coming from this perspective, Truth has meaning that is beyond words, beyond the façade of the mind. It is for want of an arrow to point with, to give it a name, Spiritual. And it is being recreated, re-incarnated moment by moment. That’s the Truth as I create it now, subject to revision and change; after all, all is change, change is all.

Thanks for letting me share that,

Love,

Sid

I liked your post JS. But when it got to the point you made and you said Jesus (God with us) was a whinner and complainer.. Please do explain..

Mugato refers to those who complain about the system as using the thing they are complaining about, in this instance government schooling, as an alibi for their "deficiencies". Using this reasoning anyone who objects to an oppression is making an alibi for their failure to succeed within the existing system. There is no oppression, there are only weaklings who can't "cut the mustard" in the existing system, the system is never at fault. I used Jesus as an example because he objected to oppression and injustice. He did not say "conform yourself to the system, whatever it is, whatever the cost, or you deserve to be weeded out and enslaved".

understood.