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Clint Webb for senate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch ?v=8gwr8KJO0Fc

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Last Post: Jun 26, 2010 9:26am
by js

Conspiracy? What conspiracy?

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. ... It would have been impossible for us to develop o...

Views: 395 Replies: 37

Last Post: Jun 22, 2010 1:11pm
by js

Sympathy for the poor

http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_otbie-sympathy.html City Journal Spring 2010. Theodore Dalrymple Sympathy Deformed Misguided compassion hurts the poor. To sympathize with those who are less fortunate is honorable and decent. A man able to commiserate...

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Last Post: Jun 21, 2010 5:31am
by js

Mrs. Talk

Anyone's business, or only parents' and the state's business

when children's brains-nervous systems are being irreversibly damaged by drugs? It would be wrong to try to inform people about the damage such drugs are causing. After all, it's none of my business. "Well, golly, I'm a true libertarian. Why should I object...

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Last Post: Jun 19, 2010 9:46pm
by Baked Alaska.

Percy Dovetonsil

Informal survey please!

This passage from Gatto has appeared in various forms in his writings, and it's always had me wondering: "It seems likely that my Harlem kids considered going to the moon a dumb game; obviously I didn't verify their feelings scientifically but I knew a lot of them...

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Last Post: Jun 19, 2010 9:42pm
by Baked Alaska.

Juanita

Por favor

¿Dónde puedo obtener la Constitución en español?

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Last Post: Jun 19, 2010 9:14pm
by Not as baked as ...

David Harrell

Chicago Public Schools ridiculousness

The very definition of waste, fraud, and abuse: The Chicago Public Schools are broke. Teachers have been asked to share the pain. Coaches have been asked to work for free. Bigger class sizes have been threatened. So why are CEO Ron Huberman and other top bureau...

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Last Post: Jun 15, 2010 8:31pm
by David Harrell

Mrs. Talk

Weapons of Mass Instruction

By John Taylor Gatto Very interesting book from which people might learn. I also highly recommend Bergeron's For the Sake of Our Children, a book that Gatto also believes is potentially culture transforming, especially because of Bergeron's "unstinting commit...

Views: 699 Replies: 65

Last Post: Jun 13, 2010 3:24pm
by js

Percy, will you Calif. lefties

maintain the courage of your convictions in the face of a little tit for tat?? http://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-threatens-turn- lights-off-los-angeles-city/story?id=10691844

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Last Post: Jun 9, 2010 9:03am
by Ron Harrison

Call me Ishmael

OT -- Harkness Method criticism?

Way off-topic I know, but does anyone here know of any published or online work that is critical of the so-called Harkness or "conference" style of school instruction? Thanks very much!

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Last Post: Jun 7, 2010 7:01pm
by Call me Ishmael

Percy Dovetonsil

Guy Debord once said

Each day we are denied an authentic existence and sold back its representation.

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Last Post: Jun 5, 2010 10:11am
by js

Dave

The latest issue of HSLDA magazine ...

has my son's picture in it. He's the "blondish" kid behind the dark-haired guy in the half-page ad for the Generation Joshua/iGovern program on Page 15. The picture obviously must have been taken when he went back east last summer for two weeks to participate i...

Views: 225 Replies: 5

Last Post: Jun 5, 2010 7:13am
by Percy D.

Bobby

Some of Chestertons' quotes are fun

"Without education we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously." Well, I recognized the humor. Ever sit down with an overly educated person and try having a conversation? G'night all, enjoy summer

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Last Post: Jun 5, 2010 5:13am
by js

Tax the web! It's for the good of "business"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/4/ftc-floats-drudge-tax/ >>>>The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) is seeking ways to "reinvent" journalism, and that's a cause for concern. According to a May 24 draft proposal, the agency thinks government should be at t...

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Last Post: Jun 5, 2010 4:34am
by js

"The Smartest Man in the World"

From an Errol Morris "First Person" interview with Christopher Langan http://video.google.com/videoplay ?docid=3976979749889442679#

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Last Post: May 31, 2010 7:50pm
by Ron Harrison

The Ghost of Steve McQueen

Shazam!

"We can quantify the deaths caused by both communism and fascism, but we will never know how many deaths have been the result of capitalism; of nothing more noble than a rich man wanting to be even richer, and sacrificing the health and lives of millions of workers t...

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Last Post: May 30, 2010 11:56am
by js

Pull Over!

You Commit Three Felonies a Day

http://www.threefelonies.com/

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Last Post: May 27, 2010 4:08pm
by js

The Kingdom called the family

http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features/ahlquist_gk2.asp Common Sense Apostle & Cigar Smoking Mystic, (part 2) The Kingdom Called "The Family" excerpt: There are two central truths that Chesterton defends: the Family and the Faith. All of modern society is...

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Last Post: May 24, 2010 10:35pm
by Bobby

Mrs. Talk Now Switches to the FM Band

Laird Wilcox on extremist traits

Extremist Traits More from Wilcox See you later, all you brilliant revolutionary script readers. Don't forget your lines!

Views: 256 Replies: 26

Last Post: May 23, 2010 6:39pm
by js

Juan

Gatto's 'Underground History' - primary sources

I have spent a few years doing bits of research into the claims made by JTG in 'Underground History' up to the end of the 19th century, and I've found it is all depressingly true. If anyone wants to research it themselves, a lot of the primary sources are now acc...

Views: 247 Replies: 8

Last Post: May 22, 2010 6:29pm
by Ron Harrison

"the mutant offspring of an unnatural course of development"

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/05/20/attack-of-the-cyborg-insects/ Justin Raimondo Excerpt: "Militarism distorts the development of civilization, deforming the natural evolution of culture and even science: the end result is the birth of misshapen monster...

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Last Post: May 22, 2010 3:48pm
by Ron Harrison

No newspapers, publishers interested in Soviet archives

http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_soviet-archives.html Claire Berlinski A Hidden History of Evil Why doesn’t anyone care about the unread Soviet archives? excerpts: "In the world’s collective consciousness, the word “Nazi” is syno...

Views: 117 Replies: 1

Last Post: May 22, 2010 3:10pm
by Ron Harrison

Noah Webster

Commies and Wingnuts -- Let's raise a glass!

Is anyone else here as enthralled by this story as I am? When I first heard about her plans a year ago I thought her parents should be jailed. Now I think they're heroes. Australian Finishes Round-the-World Sail at Age 16 SYDNEY — A 16-year-old Australi...

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Last Post: May 22, 2010 2:43pm
by Ron Harrison

Noah Webster

Mark Lilla on the libertarians (1 of 3)

From an article in the May 27 New York Review of Books: "If either Beck or Blumenthal is right about the new populism, then it’s not worth taking seriously. My own view is that we need to take it even more seriously than they do; we need to see it as a manif...

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Last Post: May 22, 2010 4:40am
by js

Juanita S.

Some of Mr. Gatto's podcasts

http://www.archive.org/details/letterToMyGranddaughter-JohnTaylorGatto http://freeaudionetwork.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/john-taylor-gatto-part-1/ http://virtualschooling.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/live-interview-tonight-with-john-taylor-gatto-critic-of-compulsory...

Views: 138 Replies: 2

Last Post: May 22, 2010 12:01am
by Juanita S.

Johnnie5

From Federalist 84

"It is evident, therefore, that, according to their primitive signification [bills of rights] have no application to constitutions professedly founded upon the power of the people, and executed by their immediate representatives and servants. Here, in strictness, th...

Views: 312 Replies: 33

Last Post: May 20, 2010 8:18pm
by Ron Harrison

Question

What is a "diverse community"??

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Last Post: May 20, 2010 6:10pm
by js

Mrs. Talk

I demand

"that evil institutions be eradicated by tomorrow! And if you don't agree with me, your morality (that is moral relativism) says you wouldn't object to child molestation for the right reasons! Public is bad and private is perforce good, and I demand that everyt...

Views: 329 Replies: 2

Last Post: May 19, 2010 6:45pm
by psikeyhackr

Andy

We are Legion

How is it that two or more people who concur that the present state of education is inadequate at best, harmful to the development of children at worst, poisonous to families and to our society, can become enemies? Let us take a moment and set aside the fruitless...

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Last Post: May 19, 2010 3:56pm
by js

For Jed, how to clean up dirty oil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eck8hEhzNp0

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Last Post: May 19, 2010 9:26am
by Jed Clamped

Mrs. Talk

'Exploring New Ways of Learning' site

Learning in Freedom

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Last Post: May 18, 2010 11:26pm
by Mrs. Talk

Mrs. Talk

'Parental bullying creates bullies'

Natural Child Magazine With link to Marshall Rosenberg's Nonviolent Communication: Marshall Rosenberg

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Last Post: May 18, 2010 5:30pm
by js

Jed Clampet

My dirty oil oozed out of the ground

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/ Obama inherited his OWN "DIRTY OIL".

Views: 262 Replies: 37

Last Post: May 17, 2010 2:44pm
by js

Mrs. Talk

Neo-Jacobins or Successful Libertarians?

The New York Review of Books "Another way is simply to go it alone. A million and a half students in the United States are now being taught by their parents at home, nearly double the number a decade ago, and representing about fifteen students for every public...

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Last Post: May 15, 2010 8:27am
by Mrs. Talk

Mrs. Talk

Gatto's intro to For the Sake of Our Children

Life Media - Wendy and Rolf Priesnitz, Life Learning Pioneers "You are about to encounter the amazing tale of Léandre Bergeron and his three born-at-home daughters as they educated themselves on the family farm. If you attend sharply while you read, you wil...

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Last Post: May 11, 2010 11:15pm
by PD

Mrs. Talk

John Taylor Gatto article in Life Learning Magazine

The Hall of Mirrors by John Taylor Gatto

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Last Post: May 11, 2010 8:44pm
by Mrs. Talk

Mrs. Talk

Lies My Teacher Told Me

Sundown Towns

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Last Post: May 9, 2010 10:54pm
by Percy Dovetonsil

Ron Harrison

Weapons of Mass Instructions

Has anyone read WOMA? I'm up to page 116 and have been having the time of my life. A little over ten years ago I was a student in an Episcopal Church Deacon School. I dropped out due to a deep sense of our being about our mission in the wrong way. I thought ab...

Views: 322 Replies: 23

Last Post: May 9, 2010 6:32pm
by Ron Harrison

Percy Dovetonsil

School news

Hello wingnuts!!! Miss me? Well I just had to post with some amazing local school news. It seems our high school down the street has been branded one of the worst performers in L.A. Unified, so the district has come up with a novel solution: Next year this turkey...

Views: 134 Replies: 1

Last Post: May 9, 2010 10:24am
by js

Government school myths

It Started With the Tyrant Lincoln by Vin Suprynowicz Recently by Vin Suprynowicz: 'You're Going To Get in a Lot of Trouble!' Every time I make some passing reference in print to the tyrant Lincoln, as I did a few weeks ago, a fair number of readers insist o...

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Last Post: May 9, 2010 10:11am
by Ron Harrison

Selecting for "good citizens"

(An article referring to the process of selecting out "troublemakers" [nonconformists] from a population: the abolition of man??) http://www.lewrockwell.com/casey/casey48.1.html Doug Casey on the Russian Bear Interviewed by Louis James, Editor, Internationa...

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Last Post: May 9, 2010 9:35am
by js

Raul Flandes

a youtube video recommendation

(has a Charlotte Iserbyt themed message) "http://thelatterdays.blogspot.com/2009/09/train-up-child-part-1.html" TRAIN UP A CHILD: A Review of Education in America Part 1 - What Has Happened? • Low test scores • Dismal graduation rates R...

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Last Post: May 8, 2010 5:27am
by js

The Politics of lying about history

False Virtue: The Politics of Lying About History by Thomas J. DiLorenzo In 1961 Life magazine invited the Pulitzer Prize-winning poet and novelist Robert Penn Warren (author of All the King’s Men, and nineteen other novels) to record his thoughts on the me...

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Last Post: May 6, 2010 12:46pm
by js

Cernunnos

Agree or disagree, like it or not, irrelevant all.

Something to counter the hatred. We Are One

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Last Post: May 5, 2010 5:02pm
by js

Karen

The Cartel

http://www.thecartelmovie.com/cgi-local/content.cgi?g=19 The Crisis | Only 35 percent of American high school seniors are proficient readers. Only 23 percent are proficient in math. Nationwide, only 74 percent of ninth graders graduate within four years—and...

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Last Post: May 4, 2010 5:05am
by Ron Harrison

Raul Flandes

Motivation Research - research

Because the new frontier for social control is neuroscience, I thought I'd learn just how far the fields Behavioral Psychology and PsychoAnalysis got. interesting article entitled: "The Hidden Persuaders: then and now": (book by Vance Packard) http://www.accessm...

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Last Post: May 3, 2010 10:38am
by Raul Flandes

Clem

School discrict webcams its students at home

... using school-issued computers. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20100419_Lower_Merion_details_Web_cam_scope.html

Views: 261 Replies: 12

Last Post: May 2, 2010 9:13am
by Bobby

bonnie

education in alberta

Hi- I'm new to this forum and the whole technology of posting messages - but am participating anyway b/c of what I know about the education system and how it destroys self-awareness, ability and identity. I work with sensitive children and their parents who are re...

Views: 197 Replies: 2

Last Post: Apr 28, 2010 7:29pm
by Bobby

Liberty vs the Constitution

http://www.lewrockwell.com/nock/nock17.1.html Liberty vs. the Constitution: The Early Struggle by Albert Jay Nock Excerpted from chapter 5 of Albert Jay Nock's Jefferson. The Constitution looked fairly good on paper, but it was not a popular document; peop...

Views: 192 Replies: 3

Last Post: Apr 24, 2010 7:07am
by Ron Harrison

Euell Gibbons

Happy Earth Day!

Exciting times, the dawn of a new era.

Views: 229 Replies: 3

Last Post: Apr 23, 2010 4:43pm
by Bobby