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Rachel
Sep 16, 08 - 10:55 AM |
Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Can anyone tell me what exercises are best to help my pelvic to stay neutral. I had a partial laminectomy (L5 S1)and see a chiropractor regularly to keep me in alignment, but my pelvic twists and puts pressure on the nerves. My pelvic bone is higher on the right. Are there any exercises to move this pelvic bone into alignment? Thanks!
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Rachel
Sep 16th, 2008 - 12:11 PM |
Re: CORRECTION: Twisted pelvis - higher on left side
Correction: higher on left side!!
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Tim
Sep 16th, 2008 - 1:50 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
And does manual manipulation correct this easily through a xray that shows it clearly.
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Rachel
Sep 16th, 2008 - 2:04 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
It does correct it and lasts for a week or so, then I have to go back and have it aligned again. I thought there might be some exercises to do to strengthen the muscles or some technique that would help tilt the pelvic the other direction somewhat to relieve the pressure off the nerves.
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Dave Hutchieson
Sep 16th, 2008 - 7:39 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Rachel
I would try the Lose The Back Pain system.
Make sure you send in the photos as requested in the manual.
You may have a tight Quadratus Lumborum muscle [ it runs from the top of your hip to just under the ribcage ].
However, there are many other things that could be causing this.
Ask your chiropractor what the Arc of Life [ C2-C7 ] measurement is for your neck, as well as the angle of your C1 vertreba relative to horizontal.
Please let us know what he says.
I've got a good idea what the answer is going to be.
Dave Hutchieson
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Dave Hutchieson
Sep 16th, 2008 - 7:40 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
That should have read vertebra not verteba.
Dave
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Rory in Korea
Sep 17th, 2008 - 12:45 AM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Dave you the man!
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Rachel
Sep 17th, 2008 - 11:15 AM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Thank you Dave! I will ask my chiropractor those questions. I do plan to try the Lose The Back Pain System. I have disc degeneration from the neck on down so my future doesn't look too nice right now.
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Dave Hutchieson
Sep 17th, 2008 - 11:30 AM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Rachel
Disk degneration can be reversed.
I have the x-rays to prove it.
The first step is get an accurate assessment of the condition of your neck.
In the world of back pain management, everybody looks at the curves of the thoracic [ upper back ] and lumbar [ lower back ] areas, but almost nobody [ outside of chiropractic ] looks at the cervical [ neck curve ].
It is as important as the lumbar curve.
Here's the reason why:
You can often get a good idea of whether a person has the correct degree of lumbar curvature by just looking at them or doing some simple tests.
But what about the neck ?
There is no way [ and even the best neurosurgeons are only right about 50% of the time in guessing this ] can you determine the curvature of someone's neck by just looking at them.
You need to take an x-ray.
The neck is tied to the rest of the spine.
This is one of the reasons why some people never get rid of their back pain.
In SOME people, all parts of the spine have to be addressed in order to get relief.
When people get tingling in their fingers, that can come from compression of the nerves in the neck itself, and/or from compression of the nerves passing through what is called the "thoracic outlet' as well as one or two other lesser areas.
In some cases just pure muscle related work will cure it.
In other cases, both chiropractic and muscle release techniques must be used.
Dave
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Rachel
Sep 17th, 2008 - 12:31 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Dave,
I went for my MRI about 6 months ago and they found minimal damage to the first three disks in the cervical area and moderate damage to the last three disks in the cervical area of the neck. The specialist told me there was some slight bulging of the 5th, 6th, and 7th vertebrae in the neck. Basically, he told me to continue to see my chiropractor and if the pain gets unbearable, he can give me an injection in the spine.
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Weight Training Paul
Sep 17th, 2008 - 1:36 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Great read Dave
I'm pretty sure there's a problem with my neck, I can feel some vertebra's twisting off to the right, definitely
Paul
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Rachel
Sep 17th, 2008 - 2:47 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Dave,
I have requested a detailed summary of my spine from my chiropractor and the results of x-rays and MRI's that have been done. I also requested the Arc of Life C2-C7 measurement as well as the angle of my C1 vertebra relative to horizontal. As soon as I receive this information, I will forward it on to you in an email. Thank you very much for all your help!!
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Dave Hutchieson
Sep 17th, 2008 - 8:27 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Rachel
During a routine check-up a couple of years ago, we discovered that my wife had scoliosis.
The standard "doctor cure" to put steel rods [ called Harrington Rods ] down the side of the spine.
I said no way.
We found a chiropractic method called the Pettibon System. In just a few months, her scoliosis was corrected by nearly 75% by the chiropractor adjusting ONLY her C1/C2 vertebrae.
I won't get into all the reasons why it works [ there are some areas which nobody is certain of at present ], but work it does.
I have a series of x-rays to prove it.
For the remaining scoliosis, we know that there are muscular related issues, and we will be addressing that.
Have you sent in photos to Steve and Jesse ?
Dave
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Rachel
Sep 18th, 2008 - 10:33 AM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Dave,
I do have kyphosis and this of course is the main reason I have back and neck problems. I am 50 years old so I have had this problem for a very long time. I don't know if there is any treatment that will help me at this stage. My chiropractor has corrected some things of the spine and have shown me x-rays when I first came in and then x-rays after treatments. It was remarkable. I have lost a lot of strength in the neck and upper back. I was going through some physical therapy for strengthening these muscles in hopes of relieving the pain I was getting in my shoulder upon range of motion such as reaching up to grab something out of the cupboard. This has helped but if I don't do the exercises on a continous basis, the pain starts to return.
The Pettibon System sounds interesting. I do plan to get the Lose the Back Pain System and will submit whatever photos requested to Steve and Jesse.
Thank you very much for the info.
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Dave Hutchieson
Sep 18th, 2008 - 1:49 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Rachel
Provided the kyphosis has not gotten to such a stage that the vertebrae in the thoracic region have fused together, there are a ton of things you can do.
I can almost 100% guarantee that you have forward head and shoulders.
Please ask your chiro if he knows whether you have any fusing in your thoracic region.
He should be able to manipulate that region and determine is there is movement in e.g. the facet joints.
Let me know.
Did you get that private e-mail I sent ?
Check your pam folder if you did not.
Dave
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Dave Hutchieson
Sep 18th, 2008 - 1:50 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Sorry, spam folder, not pam, that's my wife !!
My tinnitus is bad just now.
Dave
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Rachel
Sep 18th, 2008 - 4:17 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Dave,
You are right, my head and shoulders are forward, which makes it tiring to stand up straight. I will ask my chiropractor about the fusing in the thoracic region.
I did get your email. I will try to call him tomorrow. : )) Thank you, I might have some hope yet!
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Dave Hutchieson
Sep 19th, 2008 - 11:58 AM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Rachel
There is plenty of hope for you.
We just have to take things one step at a time, and in a logical manner.
Excluding the religious aspect of our souls, from a back pain point of view, all we are consists of a bunch of bones held together with muscles, tendons and ligaments.
A computer [ the brain ] controls all of this via electrical cabling [ nerves ].
In other words, we work just like a robot does.
In fact robot designers used the human body as a reference.
If you step on the electrical cable leading to your lamp stand in the living room, it flickers, why ?
Because the cable is designed to pass a certain amount of electrical current.
If you interfere with that [ by stepping on the cable and reducing it's diameter or size ] you are going to interfere with the signals [ nerve impulses ] leading to the lamp.
It's exactly the same thing chiropractors are trying to avoid.
Every nerve in our bodies passes electrical signals.
If we change the diameter of those cables, we either cut down on the signal strength and/or change the shape of the signal [ I'll explain more in a further post - and yes, you can actually see the shape of nerve pulses on a special device known as an oscilloscope ].
The main goals are:
1. Get all bones back into their correct position
2. Get rid of all muscle imbalances
3. Get rid of all postural dysfunctions
4. Get rid of anything that is pressing against nerves.
Note - thses are not all exclusive of one another, but many depend on the others.
That's it in a nutshell, and works for 99.99% of all the people I've dealt with.
The only exceptions SOMETIMES, are people with birth defects, severe car accident victims with massive damage to the spine, pelvis, etc, and certain genetic problems.
But even those can be helped with pain management.
Dave Hutchieson
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Rachel
Sep 19th, 2008 - 3:20 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Dave,
I called Al and left a message for him to call me. Hopefully he will be able to provide me with some good advice or information that will help me. Much appreciated!! Have a great weekend and will talk to you soon.
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Rachel
Sep 26th, 2008 - 5:08 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
I spoke with Al and was so impressed with what he had to say! He also told me of an exercise that could help me with the pelvic rotation. I used this exercise and was truly amazed with the results. So far, I have not had to go to the chiropractor. I also found the robot very interesting and may have to check this out in the future! Thank you so much Dave for referring me to Al. I think he may be able to help me out! In the meantime, I will have to order the Lose The Back Pain System. I really appreciate your information and found it to be very helpful. Thanks again!
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dave hutchieson
Sep 27th, 2008 - 11:50 AM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Rachel
I'm so glad you're feeling better.
When I was in a bad way, I diagnosed myself [ severley dislocated sacro-iliac joint ] but could not get a single doctor to agree with me.
I went to see guys who have twelve years of schooling [ physiatrists - 4 years pre-med 4 years med school 4 years post med specialty ].
Not one of them of them would agree with me.
Not one of them would suggest anything even though they disagreed with what I said.
When I first called Al, and described my symptoms, he correctly diagnosed me over the phone within 45 seconds !!
I didn't know him from Adam, but that certainly impressed me.
Dave
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dave hutchieson
Sep 28th, 2008 - 12:47 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Rachel
When you get the LTBP system, you MUST send in photos of yourself as they request.
Do not try to assess yourself without having sent in photos.
Once you are told where all your imbalances are, you can do the appropriate exercises.
I am convinced that many people who do not get results from LTBP are simply not sending in photos of themselves to get an accurate assessment of their condition.
When I first started on all this two years ago, I thought I had a backward tilted pelvis - wrong - it was forward tilted.
If I had gone with what I thought was right at the time I would have ended up worse.
The guys at LTBP have seen thousands of photos and will be in a postion to assess you.
It is aloways better to have an outside party assess you.
Why ?
One reason is psychological:
We have an impression of ourselves as to how we look, because we see ouselves in mirrors several times a day.
"I don't have a big stomach "
"My backside doesn't look big in this"
"My shoulders are nice and straight"
When a starnger looks at a photo, they are more inclined to simply report what they see.
Dave Hutchieson
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Rachel
Sep 28th, 2008 - 10:23 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Dave,
Yes, I will send in photos once I get the system. I also plan to talk with my chiropractor a little more about my back and neck.
I look forward to the assessments and am eager to get started on the exercises.
Thank you!!
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dave hutchieson
Sep 28th, 2008 - 10:48 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Rachel
When you get started - nice and easy.
Don't over do it.
I'm the worst offender at this.
Three weeks ago, I was stretching my hamstrings and thought well "Just a little more force".
Wrong.
I was left in sheer agony for a week from pulling a buttock muscle.
It was so bad, I thought I'd ruptured a disk and that the sciatica had returned.
Now, The Heal and Soothe [ which I believe in firmly, due to the ingredients ] worked very well with that muscle.
ONCE YOUR BODY IS IN BALANCE [ AND I DON'T MEAN HARE KRISHNA YOU'RE AT ONE WITH THE UNIVERSE RUBBISH ] BUT MECHANICALLY AND FROM AN ENGINEERING POINT OF VIEW, YOUR BODY WILL START TO HEAL ITSELF.
WE MUST FIRST HOWEVER REMOVE ANY SOURCE OF PRESSURE FROM NERVES.
Dave
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Rachel
Sep 28th, 2008 - 11:37 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Dave,
I hear you loud and clear. I have gotten very motivated and eager to get into exercising before and then did too much. So nice and easy this time! : ))
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Rachel
Sep 30th, 2008 - 10:29 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on left side,
Hi Dave,
I spoke with one of my chiropractors today and will speak with another one tomorrow to get more information. He told me the left SI is posterior (to the back) and left side is higher due to the pelvic rotation. He also stated about my neck: loss of cervical curve.
So it looks like I have three dysfunctions:
High Hip Dysfunction
Backward Tipped Pelvis Dysfunction
Forward Head & Shoulders Dysfunction
I will send more when I talk with the other chiropractor. Thank you, have a great evening!
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Rachel
Sep 30th, 2008 - 10:32 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
He also said I don't have fusing in my thoracic region. There is movement in the facet joints.
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dave hutchieson
Oct 1st, 2008 - 12:53 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Rachel
That is very good news.
Your tight back muscles are literally trying to hold you upright due to the weight of your head pulling your body forward from the forward head and shoulders.
Now, one thing.
You must be 1000% percent certain that you have a backward tipped pelvis.
It is the most wrongly diagnosed thing in physical therapy.
Did you send in the photos to the LTBP guys or did you assess yourself ?
Dave
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Rachel
Oct 1st, 2008 - 4:41 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Dave,
No, I have not sent any pictures yet. I am waiting to receive the Lose The Back Pain System package in the mail before I get started. My chiropractor told me that my pelvic is to the back on the left side and is higher on the left. I will do the assessments when I get them too to be sure everything is correct. I will be sure to send my pics in so that I am doing everything right.
You guys are great!!
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Rachel
Oct 5th, 2008 - 9:14 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Dave,
I received my Lose The Pain System in the mail on Saturday. I listened to all the CDs and DVD's, read everything and was able to complete all the assessments. I emailed the assessments and photos tonight so will see what they have to say. I had a harder time assessing the high hip from the photos. I just had a chiropractic adjustment so maybe it isn't so obvious to me right now.
I look forward to hearing what they have to say. Thank you for giving me hope, maybe I will be able to correct all three of my dysfunctions and muscle imbalances.
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dave hutchieson
Oct 6th, 2008 - 11:54 AM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Rachel
I'm glad you've sent in the photos.
Remember to go easy with the stretches.
Do them AFTER having a hot shower [ helps relax the muscles ].
Take a bath with epsom salts after [ helps pull out lactic acid from the muscles ].
Dave
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Rachel
Oct 6th, 2008 - 12:09 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Dave,
That is good to know. I was also wondering, if I am out of alignment, is it still good to do these corrective exercises and stretches?
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dave hutchieson
Oct 6th, 2008 - 8:30 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Rachel
I'd go ahead and give the LTBP stretches a try.
Do everything very gently at first.
The excercises are designed to get you back in balance.
Dave
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Rachel
Oct 6th, 2008 - 11:17 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Dave,
I got my assessment back from Steve, and it was so informative. I had assessed my pelvic as tipped backward while he said the photos looked like the pelvic was tipped forward. After looking closer at the photos, I can certainly see what he means. Also my arm is closer on the right side than the left so my high hip is on the right rather than the left. So now I want to clarify this with one of my chiropractors because he said my pelvic is tipped backwards and the high hip is on the left. Hmm
Anyway, I at least know what exercises I should be doing now. I am looking forward to doing the exercises and see how things feel.
Thank you so much!!! 
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dave hutchieson
Oct 7th, 2008 - 5:32 AM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Rachel
Sadly, this is a classic case of a chiropractor giving wrong and dangerous information.
True backward tipped pelvis syndrome is nowhere near as common as that of the forward tipped pelvis.
If someone has a forward tipped pelvis, and is treated for backward tipped pelvis conditions, it can make their situation much worse.
I would dump this guy ASAP and look for a Pettibon practioner.
Dave
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Tim
Oct 7th, 2008 - 8:11 AM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
You assumed alot on that one Dave
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dave hutchieson
Oct 7th, 2008 - 6:07 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Please explain in detail what you mean by "I assumed a lot".
Do you happen to be a chiropractor ?
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dave hutchieson
Oct 7th, 2008 - 6:25 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Bye the way prior to you answering:
If this is in relation to how I know that she has a forward tipped pelvis:
If you study how kyphosis occurs and the other symptoms she has in combination with elementary bio-mechanics - that's how I know.
On top of that, the guys at LTBP have literally dealt with thousands of photos - and if they say she has an FTP, that's good enough for me.
If you wish to "get into it" with me, as several others have in the past, then bring it on.
I would strongly advise you to have to have a VERY good knowledge of how the human body functions from a bio-mechanical point of view.
I am battling a bunch of non-back related health issues just now, and my tolerance for any of this is rapidly diminishing.
The previous ones have "lurked" in the background, contributing absolutely nothing to help others, but as soon as anything negative re chiropractors is said, they jump right in.
I believe strongly in chiropractic, but the industry [ yes, industry ] in the U.S. is rotten and needs a good cleaning from within.
I spend hours on the phone each day with people dealing with the after effects of what some of them have done.
YESTERDAY IN A PERIOD OF FIVE HOURS I MANAGED, VIA PHONE TO GET RID OF AN ELDERLY MAN'S SCIATICA AFTER HE HAD SPENT FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS ON CHIROPRACTORS.
WHAT DID YOU DO YESTERDAY TO HELP OTHERS ?
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dave hutchieson
Oct 7th, 2008 - 6:35 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Rachel
You just stay focused.
Don't worry about any of this other stuff.
I have twice put out an open post to all doctors and chiropractors out there reading this site [ and believe me there are many, just reading and contributing nothing ] to discuss what CAUSES disk herniations.
NOT how to treat them.
What CAUSES them.
There hasn't been a peep out of any of them.
Dave
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dave hutchieson
Oct 7th, 2008 - 6:42 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Over the last year, I have taken over three dozen people who thought their lives were over, and through giving them guidance, they are now living noromal lives again.
Two years ago, I was told by some of the best doctors in this country that I'd be in a wheelchair soon.
After a chiropractor left me crippled, none of them, NOT ONE could figure what had been done to me.
I had zero medical experience, but studied anatomy until I figured out what had been done to me.
I may not not know about hearts and kidneys and brains, but there is BLOODY LITTLE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT BACK PAIN.
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dave hutchieson
Oct 7th, 2008 - 9:16 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Tim
Read my posting marked "CHALLENGE TO ALL DOCTORS AND CHIROPRACTORS".
Let me know how many people will be coming with you on the challenge.
Rather than sniping from afar, here's a golden opportunity for you to appear face to face and see what "assumptions" I make.
Looking forward to it.
Tell you what, I'll even pay half your air fare in the states.
Can't be more fair than that.
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Rachel
Oct 7th, 2008 - 10:55 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Dave,
You and all the others that I have talked to are absolutely wonderful. Very knowledgeable, which is one of the reasons that attracted me to seek out further help in dealing with my problem. I wanted to find something that would get to the root of the problem and try to improve it rather than having to visit the chiropractor weekly. I have a lot of respect for my chiropractors and they have helped me tremendously; however, they haven't covered anything on what exercises or corrective measures I can take to improve my situation. They know my situation very well and have done wonders for my spine and keeping it in alignment.
Now as far as the situation where there were questions as to whether my pelvic is tilted forward or backward or if my hip is high on the right or left is something I will need to work out. Maybe I should take more pictures and see if I can see the same results. Tomorrow, I will be talking with one of my other chiropractors to see what he has to say. Now the other chiropractor I spoke with the other day said my SI on the left is posterior and my left leg has a short leg appearance. Now I don't know for sure what the difference is between my SI being posterior or my pelvic being posterior. Maybe there was a misunderstanding. Or maybe you can help me out by explaining this to me.
I have learned so much from the Lose The Back Pain System and you people are wonderful! I look forward to learning much more and hope that everyone gains information here to better their health.
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Tim
Oct 8th, 2008 - 6:46 AM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Dave, I am not a knowledgable man when it come to back pain. You definately are, as well as the LTBP folks. This is where I am trying to find some answers to my problem. The chiropracter I went to for a short period couldn't even talk your language.
I just found it odd that there were two completely different opinions and one was made with just a photo.
Keep up your excellent contributions as well as Steve and Jesse.
No harm meant.
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dave hutchieson
Oct 8th, 2008 - 11:09 AM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
If you go back and read the tutorials I wrote called "How The Back Works", read the parts that describe the Anterior Superior Iliac Spine [ ASIS ].
http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/12981/33_2007/asis.jpg
A forward tilted pelvis is very evident from a photo.
A photo can tell me at least 16 different things that are wrong with a person:
One shoulder lower than the other
One shoulder more forward than the other
Neck pulled to one side
Neck twisted to one side
Pelvis twisted to one side
Hip higher on one side
Oblique bulge on one side
Foot rotated outwards more on one side……etc etc
All of these are extremely important indicators that the body is not in the position it should be.
The guys at LTBP see these photos day in day out and dealt with many, many thousands of cases.
To analyze back pain, we do not need multi million dollar machines or Phd’s or anything else.
Just simple tools like photos and an eye for imbalances and things that are not symmetrical.
EVERY SINGLE LAST PERSON WHO HAS E-MAILED ME AND FOLLOWED PRECISELY WHAT I HAVE SAID IN TERMS OF LTBP EXERCISES, ROBOT, CHIROPRACTORS ETC HAS HAD THEIR PAIN REDUCED.
Many are now completely pain free.
Is it because I’m endowed with x-ray vision ?
No. It’s because I have had, over the last two and a half years with the exception of spinal stenosis, almost every form of back problem there is.
I have overcome all of them.
In addition to that, I have spoke to dozens of excellent back care specialists and many, many people in pain.
I know what works and what doesn’t.
Most importantly, I know and can prove scientifically that muscular imbalances and postural dysfunctions cause severe problems in the human body.
Again, if anyone wants to argue with me, it needs to be done once and for all on national TV to get it over and done with.
I suffer from a severe eye problem where my eyes don’t produce enough fluid.
It is painful for me writing e-mails. Between that and the rushing sound in my head from the tinnitus and elbow pain, sitting at the computer takes a lot out of me.
My ENTIRE LIFE has revolved around back pain for the last few years.
That’s why when I write, it needs to be just about trying to help people.
In addition to this forum, I talk with a large number of people from here and other forums on the phone each day, and it takes a lot out of me.
I don’t have time to discuss my methodologies on line.
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dave hutchieson
Oct 8th, 2008 - 11:25 AM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Rachel
What angers me is the fact that despite seeing chiropractors for long periods of time, the vast majority of patients such as yourself [ and others ] still have forward head and shoulders.
I don't want to get into all the details now, but having forward head and shoulders is equally as bad as a forward tilted pelvis.
The most likely reason you have a leg length discrepancy is that your high hip when "pulled upwards" has caused the femur [ "top of leg bone" ] to be rotated backwards in it's socket [ the acetabalum ], making it appear shorter.
Now, it is possible that you do have a TRUE leg length discrepancy [ i.e. were born with it], but we must address the most likely things first.
The SI joint can be affected by many things, but one of the main culprits is a tight iliacus muscle causing torqueing or twisting and also to some degree in some people, a high hip.
I visit a chiropractor every week, and believe strongly in the methods he uses.
What angers me is that I have to deal off-line every day with people from all over the world who have been going to a chiropractor for years and years. Pain comes, adjustment, pain goes. Two weeks later, pian comes, adjustment, pain goes, and on and on.
THIS IS WRONG.A GOOD, MORAL CHIROPRACTOR, WOULD SAY "WAIT, A MINUTE, THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING MORE GOING ON HERE. COULD IT BE TIGHT MUSCLES THAT ARE PULLING THE VERTEBRAE OUT OF POSITION ?"
But, no. Let's just keep having them come every week for ever.
How do I know this ? Because from talking to people like yourself on the phone, I suggest which muscles to work on.
Off they go.
Three weeks later or a month later, they call me back "Hey, Dave, you know what ? I haven't needed an adjustment in three weeks ".
"What does your chiropractor say ?"
"Oh, that sometimes the body just heals itself"
"Yes, I'm sure that's all it was".
Keep going to your chiro, Rachel if it is bringing you relief, but work heavily on the forward head and shoulders exercises from LTBP.
I do them every day.
From doing them, Pettibon and working on my sternocleidomastoid muscles with the robot, my head has gone from 2 and a half inches forward shift to just a few millimetres.
This has been confirmed by x-ray measurements.
Dave
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Rachel
Oct 8th, 2008 - 10:42 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Dave,
I think you hit it on the head. I did speak with my chiropractor today. He is going to send me a detailed summary of my back. Now if I can repeat most of what he said. i hope I have this right:
The pelvis angles forward slightly. There is some added curve to the back. The lumbar spine is slightly angled backwards. The main concern is the thinning of L5 disk. There is tissue overlaying the spine which may hide the left lateral tilt at the L3, which carries up into the thoracic region.
The neck curve carries up higher. There is a left convex curve in the cervical spine. Convexity of cervical indicates kyphosis through C-6, C-7, and T-1. The C-5 angulates foward.
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dave hutchieson
Oct 9th, 2008 - 1:36 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Rachel
As he mentions a forward angle to the pelvis, that is indeed a forward tilted pelvis, as I had mentioned.
There are three main things you need to address:
1. Forward tipped pelvis [ this is probably what caused you to have the herniation in the first place ]
2. Forward head and shoulders [ also affected the lumbar curve and the kyphosis ].
3. High hip [ major cause of your slight scoliosis - "curve to the left" ].
You will need to work closely with the LTBP guys on this, and will need to do your exercises every day without fail.
Now, you will need to ask your chiro this:
“How long will it take me to get my C2-C7 cervical vertebrae to the correct “arc of life” value ? [ Should be 43 degrees ].
“How long will it take to get my C1 [ Atlas ] vertebra to an angle of 31 degrees relative to horizontal ?”
Based on his replies, we’ll take it from there.
You must ask him EXACTLY those questions.
Put them on a piece of paper to show him, so there’s no confusion.
I’ll be putting a tutorial on the site later with regard to how important those values are.
Talk to a bunch of massage therapists.
Ask them if they know release techniques for the following:
Sternocleidomastoid muscles
Scalene muscles
Pectoralis major muscles
Pectoralis minor muscles
If they say”Sterno… what ?” put the phone down.
Get yourself a copy of “Basic Clinical Massage Therapy” by Clay and Pounds.
One of the best muscle books on the planet.
Superb illustrations.
It will really let you understand your body and the muscles.
A little pricey, but you can get cheap used copies on the Internet.
This was one of the books I used to diagnose myself.
This book should be in very doctor’s office worldwide.
Every day, do this three times:
[ In fact everybody on this forum should do this - check with your doctor first if you have neck problems ].
1. Have a hot shower with the water going directly on your neck.
2. Stand in front of the mirror, hands by sides. Door closed. No kids, no TV, no radio, no noise.
3. Relax.
4. Breathe in and out slowly a few times.
5. Keeping your arms by your sides, slowly raise your shoulders as high as they can go [ You will look like Igor from Frankenstein – no neck ]. Inhale.
6. Hold it there for a second or two. Don’t force anything, it’s not a race.
7. Now let your breath out very slowly and let your shoulders down.
8. Feel the tension start to come out of the muscles at the back of your neck [ the trapezius muscles amongst others ].
9. Repeat as many times as you want.
Let me know how you feel after a week.
To tell if someone is under stress [ you can do this on yourself ] – gently grab the tissue where the neck meets the shoulder on the side of your neck [ that little triangular shape ]. Give it a squeeze ? Hurts ? Mostly stress. Do the same after a hot bath and relexation. Feel the difference ?
Dave Hutchieson
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Paul
Oct 11th, 2008 - 2:59 AM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Hi Rachel, You said that you called Dr. Al, and he gave you a specific exercise to use regarding your "Pelvic Rotation". Would you please share that exercise with us please? I would greatly appreciate it very much. I'm so glad it worked for you.
Thank you ever so much,
Paul
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Weight Training Paul
Oct 11th, 2008 - 5:52 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Yep basic clinical massage therapy is a cracking book alright
I also like the information in therapeutic exercise for lumbopelvic stabilization
Paul
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Rachel
Oct 11th, 2008 - 9:02 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Paul,
This is the exercise Al told me about:
It involves two people. Lie on your back with your leg up, have someone press against the back of your knee towards you while you press your leg against their hand (so you are fighting against one another). Try that a few times, then try the other leg. The side that is bothering you the most, I tried that leg first. So far it is working for me.
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Rachel
Oct 11th, 2008 - 9:06 PM |
Re: Twisted pelvis - higher on right side
Al Meilus mentioned that Bob Anderson has a lot of corrective exercises too. I know he has a good book on stretching.
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