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This Forum is for the sole benefit of bringing to the public's attention adverse effects experienced by our pets from products considered 'safe' - and that can include anything from microchipping to flea sprays.
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Robin Sockness
Aug 4, 03 - 4:51 PM |
Ivermectin
I have just gotten a call from a freind who had two boxers, ages 11 and 9 treated with Ivermectin, one dosage. The oldest dog has passed over to the other side. Anyone else had bad side effects? It angers me so much what the vets do to a dog that age. |
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Nix
Aug 9th, 2003 - 7:05 AM |
Ivermectin
I am aware of the dangers of ivermectin where Collies are concerned because I have a Beardie... not sure about other breeds though. Here is a link. http://www.abvt.org/iverm.html |
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Patt
Aug 9th, 2003 - 7:08 AM |
vermectin
HI, Ivermectin is a neurotoxin. When used it is very important to be careful with dose. Many vets use the dose on the insert which is a dose for swine. It is used usually for mange. I use it and have had no problems. I have heard of bad reactions when overdosed. |
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Jean
Aug 9th, 2003 - 10:00 PM |
Ivermectin
Ivermectin I believe is a derivative of Moxidectin. Moxidectin is the ingredient in the ProHeart 6 shot. Three of my dogs had that shot last summer, and two of them are dead now "in my opinion" (legal words) from ProHeart 6. My third dog's immune system was affected and he's on two different medications to hopefully restore him to full health. Furthermore, ProHeart 6 does NOT protect against all parasites. This, in my opinion, is not this safe wonder drug apparently the majority of vets think it is. I am including some links for people to look at in their leisure. Granted, most all these links are about ProHeart 6, but it's still useful information. Obviously, people are going to do what they want to do. But I think those who are better educated make better choices when it comes to heartworm "preventative" or diet or whatever. Do your research, and you be the judge. http://www.i-dog.com/board/messages/46/18660.html? http://forum.dogomania.com/viewtopic.php?t=1371 http://bewareofproheart6.freecyberzone.com http://concernedvet.netfirms.com/index.html http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/announcements/ivermectin/ownerinfo.html www.srdogs.com/Pages/news.sept2.html (this is fairly old information, but it's still another site) www.fda.gov/cvm/index/ade/ade_web_rpts.pdf (This is a download that takes some time. You must type in "moxidectin," then "parenteral" and then "dog." Then you will see the ailments and the figures of VOLUNTARILY reported cases. Most people probably don't know they can file such a report with the FDA, and some just do not choose to. http://www.fda.gov/cvm/index/ade/ade_additional.html. Read the note below to see how to read the adverse effects reports. Click on ADE reports Click on annual and cumulative reports. The cumulative reports is most helpful. The number of reviews equal the number of reports received. Each report may contain one or more animals and one or more clinical signs. Ie: an animal can have vomiting, diarrhea, and breathing difficulty all in the same episode. Number treated: In a single review each animal may or may not have received the drug. With an oral drug; especially in small animals, usually there is only one report about one animal who received the drug but in large animals for instance, there might be a herd where everybody got the drug but only a few reacted or died. ie: One report, 200 cattle treated with a drug. Only ten reacted and out of that ten, 2 died. |
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Jane
Aug 9th, 2003 - 11:14 PM |
Re: Ivermectin
Ivermectin is the chemical base in some horse wormers, and I'm sure I've heard of people whose horses have had problems with it. It is recommended that horses are wormed every 6 - 8 weeks, so it may be the frequency of dosing with chemicals which is as much to blame (in horses) as the product itself. |
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Pauline
Aug 11th, 2003 - 10:26 AM |
Ivermectin
I didn't think Ivermectin was licensed for use on dogs. I know there is a problem with border collies and ivermectin. |
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Ginny
Aug 13th, 2003 - 6:52 AM |
Ivermectin
I don't know what part of the country you are in but the following information regarding Heartworm should be of immense interest to you if you're living in an area where mosquitos are common. In the Nature of Animal Healing by Martin Goldstein, DVM, he explains about heartworm. I think I read another post where someone was also convinced by their vet to give hw meds. This might help. pp. 220 - 223 "To judge by your local veterinarian's stern insistence on regular heartworm pills for your dog, you'd think we're in the midst of a brutal epidemic, leaving piles of the dead in its wake. I think there's an epidemic, too, but of a different sort: of disease-causing toxicity instilled in our pets by heartworm preventable pills. Granted, heartworm is a serious condition. An infected mosquito bites your dog (cats are rarely affected), injecting microscopic worms that first hibernate, then gain access to his bloodstream. A few caveats are in order, however. Only a small percentage of dogs who get heartworm die of it, especially if they're routinely tested twice a year for early detection. Even in untreated dogs, after a period of uncomfortable symptoms, the adult worms die. The microfilaria do NOT grow into adult worms on their own To reach the next stage in their life cycle, they have to be sucked back out of the body by another mosquito and go through the other stages of their maturation process within the mosquito. Only when that mosquito alights again on a dog and bites it can the microfilaria reenter the bloodstream with the ability to grow into adults. The chances of a microfilaria-infected mosquito biting your dog the first time are slim. Of it hapening to the same dog twice? VERY slim. And after two decades of pervasive administration of heartworm pills in the U.S., the chances of your dog contracting heartworm in most parts of this country even a first time are slimmer still. Early in my career, I saw and treated cases of heartworm disease, most with routine medication, yet witnessed only three deaths (the last was in 1979). By comparison, we're seeing cancer kill dogs on a daily basis. To my mind, the likelihood that toxicity from heartworm pills is contributing to the tremendous amount of immune suppression now occurring, especially in cases of liver disease and cancer, is far greater and more immediate than the threat of the disease they're meant to prevent. The most common form of heartworm prevention is a monthly pill taken just before and during mosquito season. (Many veterinarians recommend giving it year-round, even in areas of the country that experience winter.) Its toxins -- ivermectin, for example - sweep through the body killing any microfilaria that have been introduced by mosquito bites in the previous month, and thus preventing the growth of adult worms. Some brands also contain other toxins to kill intestinal parasites. The other approach to treatment is with a daily dose of the drug diethylcarbamazine, starting several weeks before mosquito season The drugs called for in either course of treatment are, simply put, poisons. Unfortunately, while they kill off microfilaria, they have the toxic effects of poisons, and can be especially damaging to the liver. When the daily preventatives came out, I witnessed evidence of hemorrhaging in the urine of several dogs put on them. We stopped the medication; the bleeding stopped. We started it up again; the bleeding resumed. (He goes on about places like Florida and the Bahamas where incidents of heartworm is higher, to use preventives like Black Walnut and homeopathy. Further, treatment for heartworm includes a heart glandular, vitamin E, CoQ10 and regular doses (small) of black walnut. ) ". |
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Jane
Aug 13th, 2003 - 10:08 PM |
Ivermectin
Here are a few of the more glaring data points collected from information submitted between 1987-2000. Note this is only the information submitted -- imagine the hundreds/thousands that don't get submitted because they vets can't/won't make the connection: Heartgard Chewables (Ivermectin) 134 dogs died; 1033 had some type of reaction Filaribits Plus 128 dogs died; 187 reacted Interceptor (Milbemycin) 67 dogs died; 460 reacted |
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Christine
Aug 15th, 2003 - 11:26 PM |
Ivermectin
http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/Search/Search.asp You'll find the above link very useful, especially in connection with Collies. |
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Christine
Aug 15th, 2003 - 11:28 PM |
Re: Ivermectin
SORRY, I FORGOT TO SAY YOU HAVE TO TYPE IVERMECTIN IN THE SEARCH BAR |
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steph
Jun 10th, 2004 - 4:30 PM |
Re: Ivermectin/HeartgardPLUS
One year ago this week, my healthy six year old Bichon died. I had switched vets on him. The new vet talked me into switching heartworm "preventive" medicines to Heartgard PLUS (evidently he never did any research, or would have known Bichons are NOT supposed to get any "PLUS" formulas). Two days after his second dose, he had a very short illness and died in my arms. As I said, he was extremely healthy, vibrant, very active dog, up until then. I am very seriously considering taking my two other dogs off heartworm "preventive" (I put that in quotes, because those meds are NOT preventatives, rather they are poisons meant to kill the worms), altogether, and just get them tested annually or semiannually. Condolences in the loss of your dog. |
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Robin
Jun 11th, 2004 - 3:23 AM |
Re: Re: Ivermectin/HeartgardPLUS
I am sorry for the loss of your dogs. You are right, the drugs don't prevent.....the key to keeping a dog parasite free is to create an environment where they don't want to live. Parasites don't want to live in an unhealthy body. I have links on natural prevention at my site...it is meant for educational purposes as a result of my studies on the topic as I am not a vet and cannot diagnose or prescribe. http://myaccount.home.mindspring.com/BanditHeartworms.htm |
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Christine Wyndham-Thomas
Jun 12th, 2004 - 12:28 PM |
Ivermectin/HeartgardPLUS
Hi Robin As a matter of interest, and I know that you cured Bandit of heartworm a few years ago, do you know what the symptoms are if a dog gets heartworm? |
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Christine Wyndham-Thomas
Jun 12th, 2004 - 12:25 PM |
Ivermectin/HeartgardPLUS
Thanks, Steph, for posting this as this is what this message board is all about. People need to be informed and to realise that a lot of the medication given to our dogs these days are in the main unnecessary. I live in a country that isn't troubled by heartworm but I'm a member of the Classical Homeopathy for Pets list where heartworm is mentioned quite a lot. In their opinion it's best to leave off all heartworm medication and that the best prevention is to ensure your dog has an healthy immune system. That IS the key to good health, which all dogs can have if fed a raw diet. If your dog should be unfortunate to get heartworm then I'm sure homeopathy will help greatly, or the natural substances that Robin sells. As a matter of interest, do you know what the symptoms are if your dog gets heartworm? It might be worth making a note of this. |
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Donna Gates
Jun 13th, 2004 - 6:30 PM |
Re: Ivermectin
I had a Toy Manchester terrier that I used the cattle type Ivomec with the recommendation of my vet in FL. She went into total liver failure at the age of 11 and it was traced back to the use of this drug. Fortunately with the help of a Dr. Mallu, a holistic vet and Dr. Jean Dodds she was treated sucessfully and lived to 16 3/4 years old. I would never recommend to anyone the use of Ivomec, Ivermectin or Heartguard for any breed of dog. Donna Gates Sandustin Manchesters |
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Skunk
Jun 14th, 2004 - 4:59 AM |
Re: Ivermectin
My Vet (previous) prescribed Ivermeticin for heart worm preventive (swine type) and it supposedly was to kill all other internal parisites. Out of the 3 dogs that were given this over at least 5 years of time. All of them contacted cancer, 1 of them was treatable and recovered and all by the time of 7 years of age. Don't know if this was a fluke but be careful using it. |
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steph
Jun 15th, 2004 - 6:14 PM |
Re: Ivermectin
Yes, Robin, I have seen your website! Very helpful, and especially all those links. You have done a good job there to help many many others out, probably more than you will ever know! And thank you, Everyone! I do appreciate your support. It took me several months after I lost Arlo to research enough to arrive at the conclusion it was the Heartgard. Initially I had thought he was poisoned or had pancreatitis? But when I began to see the postings on hemolytic anemia, his symptoms were very consistent with those which others have described. This week I had a long talk with a guy who runs a healthfood-type pet store in Manhattan, where I live. He recommended (for fleas, ticks, mosquitos, etc.) that my dogs get a mixture of yeast with dissicated liver and vitamins in their food (daily, now till November). He had bags of this stuff from a vet in northern New York state ("Fleas Flee" LOL was the name). And when I take them out of the city on holiday to use also a backup insect repellent (think it had tea tree oil and citronella, among other things). They are eating a brand of food called "Wellness" which this fellow recommended to me, and it does seem to have very good quality ingredients. I am not at home, so cannot tell you if they are raw? Also, the younger rescue Bichon (almost two) has to get a DHLPP booster, because there is virulent Parvo where we go on holiday? So he recommended I give her a solution for immune boosting for a matter of a few weeks, before and after she gets the shot. Then not to give her any more boosters/vaccinations, other than maybe rabies every few years (which is required by law). |
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Liz Tuttle
Jul 14th, 2004 - 1:05 PM |
Re: Ivermectin
I just came upon this website. It is good for me to tell the story of my Cairn Terrier who was given one dose of Interceptor last year. This is the email that I sent to my Vet after he got his one dose: "He starts getting hyperactive the second day after taking the pill, by the 5th day he's out of control. REALLY HYPERACTIVE. Jumps up and down on the furniture like a maniac. Hypervigilant. Won't listen. Runs through the house checking every window and barking at anything and everything. Tries to pick fights with REALLY BIG dogs. He gets really hungry, then vomits up his food. He can't sleep at night, so he roams. Not to mention him being extra whiney and crying a lot after he eats. The behavior change is too much; it drives us all crazy." I proceeded to give him doses of homeopathic remedies to help him return to normal. It still took over a week before I felt that his health was finally returning. Based on that experience, I will never give a dog of mine a heartworm preventative again. I'll test them twice a year and look for signs otherwise. |
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